Last fall Anderson Diniz Hummel became a Certified Scrum Trainer. This means that he has been approved by the Scrum Alliance to teach Certified Scrum Master and Certified Scrum Product Owner classes. The journey to becoming a CST is never easy and never as quick as anyone would like and for Anderson, it was over three years from the time he first started working on it. (And this is after already having taught at the University level for a number of years.)
During the recent holidays Anderson and I had a conversation about what his journey to CST was like. We recorded this in hopes of helping offer some encouragement, advice and support for others who are headed down the path.
To help provide some background about the CST designation, according to the Scrum Alliance’s 2018 State of Scrum Report, there are over 500,000 certified practitioners of Scrum worldwide. Within that community, only 234 people are certified by the Scrum Alliance as being allowed to teach Certified Scrum Master and Certified Scrum Product Owner classes. So, it is a rare certification to have and many people who begin heading down the path do not have a great understanding of what to expect. Hopefully this interview will help with that.
A sample from the CSPO class we co-taught
In each of my CSM and CSPO classes someone asks “Should I still get PMP?”
In this podcast I got the chance to check in with Jesse Fewell on the value of certification. Jesse and I have been friends since 2008 when we both started working on trying to find ways to get PMI to pay attention to Agile. We both come from a traditional background, have been heavily involved with PMI and now make a living teaching Scrum certification classes.
Jesse and I debate the answer to the PMP certification question and along the way, discuss our differing views on the value of PMI-ACP, CSM and CSPO certifications. These are things we don’t always see eye to eye on, so regardless of your viewpoint, there is sure to be something in here to help you see things from a different perspective.
We also have a brief conversation about what do to about PMO’s in Agile organizations.
Note: You may hear some odd background noise. This time it isn't me slurping coffee … #blamethefidgittoys
00:08 Podcast Starts
00:34 An update on Jesse’s recent and upcoming Agile PMO sessions, VirtuallyAgile.com and his Certified Agile Leadership Training classes
07:53 Does PMP Certification still matter? And if you are working in Agile, do you still need it?
09:57 If you are a traditional PM, are you in danger of becoming unemployable if you do not have agile?
11:50 Can a traditional PM avoid the trap of thinking they “get” Agile before they actually do?
14:26 Jesse’s involvement with PMI-ACP, it’s evolution and current relevance
16:20 What can you expect of someone who has PMP or PMI-ACP Certification?
18:10 PMI and Agile Alliance collaboration and what we can expect to see from it
20:10 PMI is working with the Agile Alliance… “It’s like the X-Men and the Justice League tried to plan something together”
21:10 “Everyone has the same mission - improve outcomes and people doing their job well”
21:43 It’s not a “standard”, it’s a “guide”
22:07 How much Agile will be in the new (6th) edition of the PMBOK?
23:00 For the skeptics… there is good on both sides of PMI and the Agile Alliance working together
24:30 Understanding the distinction between the work done by PMI and the Agile Alliance (stabilize and align vs. disrupt)
26:42 Will there be a new Agile certification coming from PMI?
29:26 If you know a PMP trying to decide between taking a CSM or a PMI-ACP course and they need advice on what to take
32:42 Dave and Jesse debate whether getting PMP is still valuable for a CSM or CSPO
36:17 “Most Agile people are punching above their weight…”
39:18 What do we do about the PMO if our organization is adopting Agile?
44:22 Want more Jesse? Here is how to get it….
45:02 Interview Ends
Links Referenced in the Podcast
The Hybrid PMO (part of Seminars World) http://bit.ly/2tbOvM5
Solving the PMO Paradox (at Agile 2017) http://bit.ly/2sJ8wJj
Certifications and Agile Organizations Mentioned in the Podcast
PMP Certification http://bit.ly/29NtawC
PMI-ACP Certification https://www.pmi.org/certifications/types/agile-acp
CSM Certification http://bit.ly/ZtotC1
CSPO Certification http://bit.ly/1HeXnC5
Certified Agile Leadership Certification https://www.scrumalliance.org/agile-leadership
Agile Alliance: https://www.agilealliance.org
Scrum Alliance: https://www.scrumalliance.org
IC Agile: https://icagile.com
You’ve taken CSM Training and passed the Exam. Now what?
In this podcast Certified Scrum Trainers Richard Cheng and Dave Prior share their thoughts on most important things that Certified Scrum Master students can do to be successful Scrum Masters once they have completed the training and passed the CSM Assessment Exam. The podcast includes an exploration of why each of the recommendations is critical to making Scrum work and both Richard and Dave share examples from their experiences in the field working with teams who did, and did not have these practices in play.
Links Mentioned in the Podcast
Geoffrey Moore Vision Statement https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/05/09/product-vision/
Crossing the Chasm by Geoffrey Moore http://amzn.to/2h3ruRS
Roman Pichler’s website (where you can find the tools we mentioned) http://www.romanpichler.com
Works for Excella Consulting https://www.excella.com
Works for LeadingAgile http://www.leadingagile.com
The music featured in the podcast was downloaded from The Free Music Archive http://freemusicarchive.org
Cherry Skies - The New Mystical Troubadours. Find them here: http://freemusicarchive.org/music/The_New_Mystikal_Troubadours/