Becoming a Certified Scrum Trainer w/ Anderson Hummel
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During the recent holidays Anderson and I had a conversation about what his journey to CST was like. We recorded this in hopes of helping offer some encouragement, advice and support for others who are headed down the path.
To help provide some background about the CST designation, according to the Scrum Alliance’s 2018 State of Scrum Report, there are over 500,000 certified practitioners of Scrum worldwide. Within that community, only 234 people are certified by the Scrum Alliance as being allowed to teach Certified Scrum Master and Certified Scrum Product Owner classes. So, it is a rare certification to have and many people who begin heading down the path do not have a great understanding of what to expect. Hopefully this interview will help with that. SHOW NOTES
ANDERSON's ARTWORK A sample from the CSPO class we co-taught
CST CERTIFICATIONhttps://www.scrumalliance.org/certifications/trainers/cst-certification CONTACTING ANDERSONLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersonhummel/ |
Last fall Anderson Diniz Hummel became a Certified Scrum Trainer. This means that he has been approved by the Scrum Alliance to teach Certified Scrum Master and Certified Scrum Product Owner classes. The journey to becoming a CST is never easy and never as quick as anyone would like and for Anderson, it was over three years from the time he first started working on it. (And this is after already having taught at the University level for a number of years.)
Is PMP still worth it if I am doing Agile? - w/ Jesse Fewell
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Certification,
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Jesse Fewell,
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Project Management Institute,
reluctant agilist
Categories: Certification, CSM, CSPO, drunkenpm, Jesse Fewell, PMI, PMI-ACP, PMP, Project Management Institute, reluctant agilist
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In this podcast I got the chance to check in with Jesse Fewell on the value of certification. Jesse and I have been friends since 2008 when we both started working on trying to find ways to get PMI to pay attention to Agile. We both come from a traditional background, have been heavily involved with PMI and now make a living teaching Scrum certification classes. Jesse and I debate the answer to the PMP certification question and along the way, discuss our differing views on the value of PMI-ACP, CSM and CSPO certifications. These are things we don’t always see eye to eye on, so regardless of your viewpoint, there is sure to be something in here to help you see things from a different perspective. We also have a brief conversation about what do to about PMO’s in Agile organizations.
Show Notes00:08 Podcast Starts 00:34 An update on Jesse’s recent and upcoming Agile PMO sessions, VirtuallyAgile.com and his Certified Agile Leadership Training classes 07:53 Does PMP Certification still matter? And if you are working in Agile, do you still need it? 09:57 If you are a traditional PM, are you in danger of becoming unemployable if you do not have agile? 11:50 Can a traditional PM avoid the trap of thinking they “get” Agile before they actually do? 14:26 Jesse’s involvement with PMI-ACP, it’s evolution and current relevance 16:20 What can you expect of someone who has PMP or PMI-ACP Certification? 18:10 PMI and Agile Alliance collaboration and what we can expect to see from it 20:10 PMI is working with the Agile Alliance… “It’s like the X-Men and the Justice League tried to plan something together” 21:10 “Everyone has the same mission - improve outcomes and people doing their job well” 21:43 It’s not a “standard”, it’s a “guide” 22:07 How much Agile will be in the new (6th) edition of the PMBOK? 23:00 For the skeptics… there is good on both sides of PMI and the Agile Alliance working together 24:30 Understanding the distinction between the work done by PMI and the Agile Alliance (stabilize and align vs. disrupt) 26:42 Will there be a new Agile certification coming from PMI? 29:26 If you know a PMP trying to decide between taking a CSM or a PMI-ACP course and they need advice on what to take 32:42 Dave and Jesse debate whether getting PMP is still valuable for a CSM or CSPO 36:17 “Most Agile people are punching above their weight…” 39:18 What do we do about the PMO if our organization is adopting Agile? 44:22 Want more Jesse? Here is how to get it…. 45:02 Interview Ends
Links Referenced in the Podcast
The Hybrid PMO (part of Seminars World) http://bit.ly/2tbOvM5 Solving the PMO Paradox (at Agile 2017) http://bit.ly/2sJ8wJj
Certifications and Agile Organizations Mentioned in the PodcastPMP Certification http://bit.ly/29NtawC PMI-ACP Certification https://www.pmi.org/certifications/types/agile-acp CSM Certification http://bit.ly/ZtotC1 CSPO Certification http://bit.ly/1HeXnC5 Certified Agile Leadership Certification https://www.scrumalliance.org/agile-leadership Agile Alliance: https://www.agilealliance.org Scrum Alliance: https://www.scrumalliance.org PMI: https://www.pmi.org/ IC Agile: https://icagile.com
Contacting JesseWebsite: http://www.jessefewell.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/jessefewell LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessefewell/
Contacting DaveWebsite: https://drunkenpm.net Twitter: https://twitter.com/mrsungo LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/ |
In each of my CSM and CSPO classes someone asks “Should I still get PMP?”
Note: You may hear some odd background noise. This time it isn't me slurping coffee … #blamethefidgittoysDon Kim - I Think, Therefore I Plan
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You can find Don’s book here: http://amzn.to/2n7VEHu You can find Don’s blog post about certifications here: http://bit.ly/2okDUZA
Show Notes:00:07 Interview Start 00:30 What is a Human APEE 03:38 What is an Artisan approach to Project Management 05:15 Don’s Philosophy of Project Management 07:22 Trying to slow down and do less 08:21 Don explains his way of approaching project work and the reason for the book 10:56 How has the traditional vs. Agile debate changed over the past few years 12:53 Seeing the value in every project you work on - regardless of how you got it 16:15 The downside of certifications 17:29 The positive aspects of certifications 18:03 There is more to project management training than just PMP certification 19:48 Making the case for the value certifications can provide and how it can be misunderstood 23:22 Does it make sense for people to want to have a way of gauging their professional achievement? 23:55 What Don expected from PMP certification and how he went deep with the Kerzner to get the most learning out of it (instead of just passing the test) 26:41 Is it the certification that is an issue, or the way people interpret it as an end point rather than a beginning 27:50 An overview of the approach Don’s book takes towards the art of Project Management 30:56 Where you can find Don’s book and how you can reach him with follow up questions 31:54 Podcast Ends You can reach Don Kim on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donkim/ Feedback/Comments: [email protected] |
A few weeks ago Don Kim put up a blog post challenging the value of certifications. I reached out to Don in hopes of doing an interview about it and found out he’s also written a new book “I think Therefore I Plan”. In this interview we discuss the pros and cons of different certifications, taking an artisan approach to managing projects as well as Don’s new book.
