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Project Benchmarking - Sharing experiences.
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I am interested to share experiences with people that were involved in Benchmarking and Process Improvement for projects.
I used Function Point sizing and project performance benchmarking based on Function Points.
I am also interested in benchmarking for Agile/Scrum projects using Story Points, although I have to admit that I am on Ron Jeffries' side that Story Points are time obfuscation and were invented to give POs a sense of control over the development team.
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I find that benchmarking is a critical component in engineering projects. It is really another term for baseline, so you have reference for measurements.

We benchmark the competition to determine where our performance fits in the market. Internal processes are benchmarked prior to improvement. The Measure in the Six Sigma DMAIC model is benchmarking your current state for statistics. I baseline the state of the art for current technology when trying to determine how hard it will be to expand a technology. Behchmarking is everywhere.

I've seen a few occasions where teams think that they are smart enough that they Don't have to benchmark some current state before they try to dive in and make changes. That has predictably bad results, in my personal experience.
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Thank you Keith.I am interested in sharing persona experiences not views on the utility of benchmarking. I know for sure that data is hard to find and "benchmarking the competition" in projects is not as easy as in the books :)
The role Measure in Lean Six Sigma is not to benchmark but to baseline which is an entirely different topic.
My interest is especially from the Agile perspective where there are very few good metrics and basically no evidence that is 'better' than planned approach. Using practices "borrowed" by Agile in a planned approach doesn't mean that the project is delivered Agile.
Again, I am looking for personal experiences rather than academic thoughts...

"nterested to share experiences with people that were involved in Benchmarking "
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1 reply by Keith Novak
Jan 12, 2019 9:30 PM
Keith Novak
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Perhaps you could share something relevant on the problem you are seeking help to benchmark.
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Jan 12, 2019 5:21 PM
Replying to Stelian ROMAN
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Thank you Keith.I am interested in sharing persona experiences not views on the utility of benchmarking. I know for sure that data is hard to find and "benchmarking the competition" in projects is not as easy as in the books :)
The role Measure in Lean Six Sigma is not to benchmark but to baseline which is an entirely different topic.
My interest is especially from the Agile perspective where there are very few good metrics and basically no evidence that is 'better' than planned approach. Using practices "borrowed" by Agile in a planned approach doesn't mean that the project is delivered Agile.
Again, I am looking for personal experiences rather than academic thoughts...

"nterested to share experiences with people that were involved in Benchmarking "
Perhaps you could share something relevant on the problem you are seeking help to benchmark.
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1 reply by Stelian ROMAN
Jan 13, 2019 3:08 AM
Stelian ROMAN
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I thought that the post is pretty clear "I am interested to share experiences with people that were involved in Benchmarking and Process Improvement for projects"

I have no intention to benchmark problems. There is a (small) community of people specialised in project metrics and benchmarking projects to assess the impact of process improvement initiatives on the project delivery process.

If you managed or were involved in project that had the scope to improve the delivery process (especially using the Lean Six Sigma DMAIC method) I am interested to share our experiences (metrics, data collection methods, results, conclusions).
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Jan 12, 2019 9:30 PM
Replying to Keith Novak
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Perhaps you could share something relevant on the problem you are seeking help to benchmark.
I thought that the post is pretty clear "I am interested to share experiences with people that were involved in Benchmarking and Process Improvement for projects"

I have no intention to benchmark problems. There is a (small) community of people specialised in project metrics and benchmarking projects to assess the impact of process improvement initiatives on the project delivery process.

If you managed or were involved in project that had the scope to improve the delivery process (especially using the Lean Six Sigma DMAIC method) I am interested to share our experiences (metrics, data collection methods, results, conclusions).
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Stelian -

The difficulty with using something like LSS as a process improvement framework for project delivery is that no two projects are the same so the improvements which seemed to show promise on one won't do so on another. LSS works great when you are dealing with high volume, low variation transactions and projects, by definition, don't fit that model.

Having said that, a pure lean approach should help if a given method or framework is perceived as being "too heavy".

Kiron
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Stelian:
My practical experience setting benchmarks started in the 80's as a land surveyor using and creating literal benchmarks (elevation markers). We set the laser interferometer directly over existing benchmarks when locating ourselves for new measurements, or we drove a 2x2 stake into the ground with a hammer to create a new benchmark more convenient to the site.

In the years since, my occupation has evolved to use variables other than simply position and direction. I have in fact set benchmarks in a variety of ways that don't require using a hammer at all. It has allowed me to consider that term in a somewhat broader sense.

Although a considerable part of my career has been as a process SME both in areas of manufacturing as well as the office functions leading up to production, my specific job functions probably don't match the specific problem you wish to address, so I will bow out of the practical application aspect.

I will offer one bit of advice however: If you are setting a benchmark in a field full of poison ivy, wear long pants. That stuff is awful.
Cheers
Keith
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1 reply by Stelian ROMAN
Jan 13, 2019 8:11 PM
Stelian ROMAN
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Hi Keith, Thank you for responding but we are so far apart in understanding what project benchmarking is.
I don't like to remember that I started my career in 80s unless people try to convince me how experienced they are. I was lucky to do what I liked for my entire career and work with world level experts, project benchmarking included.

My advice for the participants in a conversation is the same like the basic meeting etiquette: if you can't contribute don't attend.
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Jan 13, 2019 11:15 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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Stelian:
My practical experience setting benchmarks started in the 80's as a land surveyor using and creating literal benchmarks (elevation markers). We set the laser interferometer directly over existing benchmarks when locating ourselves for new measurements, or we drove a 2x2 stake into the ground with a hammer to create a new benchmark more convenient to the site.

In the years since, my occupation has evolved to use variables other than simply position and direction. I have in fact set benchmarks in a variety of ways that don't require using a hammer at all. It has allowed me to consider that term in a somewhat broader sense.

Although a considerable part of my career has been as a process SME both in areas of manufacturing as well as the office functions leading up to production, my specific job functions probably don't match the specific problem you wish to address, so I will bow out of the practical application aspect.

I will offer one bit of advice however: If you are setting a benchmark in a field full of poison ivy, wear long pants. That stuff is awful.
Cheers
Keith
Hi Keith, Thank you for responding but we are so far apart in understanding what project benchmarking is.
I don't like to remember that I started my career in 80s unless people try to convince me how experienced they are. I was lucky to do what I liked for my entire career and work with world level experts, project benchmarking included.

My advice for the participants in a conversation is the same like the basic meeting etiquette: if you can't contribute don't attend.
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Stelian,
I am quite certain we are miles apart in our understanding of bench marking.
You are struggling with how to benchmark things. I've made a bit of a science out of it and spent a few 100 hours with patent attorneys turning some pretty mundane stuff into patents on my wall.

I would have bent over backwards to help too.
Keith
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1 reply by Stelian ROMAN
Jan 15, 2019 1:01 AM
Stelian ROMAN
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Keith, with all due respect, please read a bit before telling me that I struggle to benchmark things. You should start reading what project benchmarking is: "Benchmarking is the process of comparing one's business processes and performance metrics to industry bests and/or best practices from other industries. Dimensions typically measured are quality, time and cost". There is no such thing as benchmarking "things".
I started my career using finite element in process improvement and I have over 30 years experience in benchmarking, apart from being a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt. I worked with people that wrote the ISO standards for project benchmarking. I am pretty confident that I know what I am talking about.I am looking for people with experience in project metrics because they are extremely rare.
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Jan 15, 2019 12:44 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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Stelian,
I am quite certain we are miles apart in our understanding of bench marking.
You are struggling with how to benchmark things. I've made a bit of a science out of it and spent a few 100 hours with patent attorneys turning some pretty mundane stuff into patents on my wall.

I would have bent over backwards to help too.
Keith
Keith, with all due respect, please read a bit before telling me that I struggle to benchmark things. You should start reading what project benchmarking is: "Benchmarking is the process of comparing one's business processes and performance metrics to industry bests and/or best practices from other industries. Dimensions typically measured are quality, time and cost". There is no such thing as benchmarking "things".
I started my career using finite element in process improvement and I have over 30 years experience in benchmarking, apart from being a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt. I worked with people that wrote the ISO standards for project benchmarking. I am pretty confident that I know what I am talking about.I am looking for people with experience in project metrics because they are extremely rare.

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