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Dears,
Do you think that it is an ethical / acceptable process if you have a weak contractor in engineering, so your/ consultant's structural engineer proposed to assist the contractor claiming that it is for the project interest but contractually that is contractor's duty.

Thanks,
Riad
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several factors should be considered for this case. Who provided the offer of this? is there any other relationship between interested parties? are there any conflicts of interest for that specific task? Who assumes the responsibility of that specific job? ...
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1 reply by Riad Alhammoud
Mar 23, 2019 7:11 AM
Riad Alhammoud
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Thanks all for your feedback.
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Riad -

I'm not sure that this is an ethical issue but rather a contract management one whereby if the structural engineer took this action without going through a normal issue resolution process then that should be addressed.

Kiron
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1 reply by Riad Alhammoud
Mar 23, 2019 7:15 AM
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Dear kiron
Thanks for valuable feedback, I meant by it will be unethical like what Collins pointed out how you can work for the contractor and then inspect same work on the field.
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The responsibility of the engineer is to supervise the contractor.When he does the work himself within the contractors set up,how will he then supervise his own work?Moreso,will his work be independent?

His level of involvement should remain at supervision level and there is a lot of assistance he can give without necessarily getting deeply involved in the contractors work.
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1 reply by Riad Alhammoud
Mar 23, 2019 7:13 AM
Riad Alhammoud
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Totally agree. Thanks Collins.
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I was part of initiatives where contractors where helped in order to keep the needed level of quality in the final product. The difference with you stated is the situation was detected and definied into the contract due to the situation was detected along the procurement process.
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1 reply by Riad Alhammoud
Mar 23, 2019 7:18 AM
Riad Alhammoud
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Thanks Sergio,
The consultant provides only supervision services.
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As an engineer, I would say this would be completely unethical, at least where I am and could be a cause to lose one's licence. I guess it also depends on what you mean by "assist". As Collins pointed out, there is the very real potential for a conflict of interest. We are strictly "forbidden" in offering "advice" to contractors, as "we" could then be held liable by the contractor if the "advice" given was taken/ used and a problem then resulted. Shaky ground to say the least.
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Mar 23, 2019 7:19 AM
Riad Alhammoud
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Thanks Steve for valuable feedback.
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Mar 22, 2019 8:02 AM
Replying to Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani
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several factors should be considered for this case. Who provided the offer of this? is there any other relationship between interested parties? are there any conflicts of interest for that specific task? Who assumes the responsibility of that specific job? ...
Thanks all for your feedback.
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Mar 22, 2019 9:08 AM
Replying to Collins Aluga
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The responsibility of the engineer is to supervise the contractor.When he does the work himself within the contractors set up,how will he then supervise his own work?Moreso,will his work be independent?

His level of involvement should remain at supervision level and there is a lot of assistance he can give without necessarily getting deeply involved in the contractors work.
Totally agree. Thanks Collins.
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Mar 22, 2019 8:04 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Riad -

I'm not sure that this is an ethical issue but rather a contract management one whereby if the structural engineer took this action without going through a normal issue resolution process then that should be addressed.

Kiron
Dear kiron
Thanks for valuable feedback, I meant by it will be unethical like what Collins pointed out how you can work for the contractor and then inspect same work on the field.
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Mar 22, 2019 9:58 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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I was part of initiatives where contractors where helped in order to keep the needed level of quality in the final product. The difference with you stated is the situation was detected and definied into the contract due to the situation was detected along the procurement process.
Thanks Sergio,
The consultant provides only supervision services.
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Mar 22, 2019 10:22 AM
Replying to Steve Ratkaj
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As an engineer, I would say this would be completely unethical, at least where I am and could be a cause to lose one's licence. I guess it also depends on what you mean by "assist". As Collins pointed out, there is the very real potential for a conflict of interest. We are strictly "forbidden" in offering "advice" to contractors, as "we" could then be held liable by the contractor if the "advice" given was taken/ used and a problem then resulted. Shaky ground to say the least.
Thanks Steve for valuable feedback.
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