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Do you know organizations that have decided to eliminate the PM Role or is close to do it? tell about it
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I want to know if we have seen organizations that decided to eliminate either the PM Role or the PMO or is thinking about do it. I have hear from some consultant that some big companies as Apple, amazon, google does not have a PMO or a project management role? I want to learn if some of my colleagues have informaton about this steps and share information about it.
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Yes I've seen this trend with companies who adopt an agile approach but as with the BA role I've yet to encounter a place where the function is disappearing. People just LOVE job titles and at these organizations, you will probably find a slew of new titles with one or more of them fulfilling the role of the 'defunct' PM. The core of what the PM and BA do in these organizations are still the same as before but they will employ new skills, tools, and techniques, so it is a matter of adapting. So are you a PM? That is determined by your org structure. Do you still perform the function of a PM? Most likely yes. Do you still use the same toolset that you did in the '90s? No, and nor should you.
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1 reply by Dora Mejia
Mar 26, 2019 7:27 AM
Dora Mejia
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Thanks Anton for your insights. Absolutely agree. What I have been seeing is a new names or new roles that embrace the same functions with different tools, techniques. I have been seen the principles the same.
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Dora -

As Anton said, project management as a practice doesn't disappear but the responsibility for performing it might transition to roles such agile leads and product owners. This is not uncommon in organizations which are moving to a product-centric funding and delivery approach with long-lived teams. However, in most project-centric companies, the role will persist.

Kiron
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1 reply by Dora Mejia
Mar 26, 2019 7:30 AM
Dora Mejia
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Thanks Anton. Do you think project centric companies are going to dominate the near future?. just some predictions.
I consider both sides (project & Product Centric) to continue having space in different industries. Any example of companies that have eliminated PMO & PM as a centric function or role in the organization?
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Mar 26, 2019 1:03 AM
Replying to Anton Oosthuizen
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Yes I've seen this trend with companies who adopt an agile approach but as with the BA role I've yet to encounter a place where the function is disappearing. People just LOVE job titles and at these organizations, you will probably find a slew of new titles with one or more of them fulfilling the role of the 'defunct' PM. The core of what the PM and BA do in these organizations are still the same as before but they will employ new skills, tools, and techniques, so it is a matter of adapting. So are you a PM? That is determined by your org structure. Do you still perform the function of a PM? Most likely yes. Do you still use the same toolset that you did in the '90s? No, and nor should you.
Thanks Anton for your insights. Absolutely agree. What I have been seeing is a new names or new roles that embrace the same functions with different tools, techniques. I have been seen the principles the same.
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Mar 26, 2019 7:11 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Dora -

As Anton said, project management as a practice doesn't disappear but the responsibility for performing it might transition to roles such agile leads and product owners. This is not uncommon in organizations which are moving to a product-centric funding and delivery approach with long-lived teams. However, in most project-centric companies, the role will persist.

Kiron
Thanks Anton. Do you think project centric companies are going to dominate the near future?. just some predictions.
I consider both sides (project & Product Centric) to continue having space in different industries. Any example of companies that have eliminated PMO & PM as a centric function or role in the organization?
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I agree with Kiron's comment that tradutional PM responsbilities are transitioning to other roles in the organization (Real Train Engineers, Portfolio Management functions, Product Managers, etc). However, I think there is also a trend where only very large projects (or initiatives) that cross multiple functional boundaries will require traditional project management oversight. All other work will be managed through a pull based system with teams committing to work based on its value and an emphasis on delivering rapidly. This will lead to smaller work units that can be pulled through a System of Delivery more rapidly.

In my opinion, the role of the project manager elevates to a business value delivery role responsible for understanding the business value of work and ensuring feedback mechanisms to sense and adapt to change. The role of the PMO shifts to measuring value delivery and not the its traditional focus of budget/schedule measurement.
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1 reply by Dora Mejia
Apr 01, 2019 9:35 PM
Dora Mejia
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Thanks for your comments. Agree with you that the skills for a PM are required specially due the complexity in some specific projects and make some activities in the organization for small medium projects more oriented to a team self.empower.
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Apr 01, 2019 11:50 AM
Replying to Bryan Campbell
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I agree with Kiron's comment that tradutional PM responsbilities are transitioning to other roles in the organization (Real Train Engineers, Portfolio Management functions, Product Managers, etc). However, I think there is also a trend where only very large projects (or initiatives) that cross multiple functional boundaries will require traditional project management oversight. All other work will be managed through a pull based system with teams committing to work based on its value and an emphasis on delivering rapidly. This will lead to smaller work units that can be pulled through a System of Delivery more rapidly.

In my opinion, the role of the project manager elevates to a business value delivery role responsible for understanding the business value of work and ensuring feedback mechanisms to sense and adapt to change. The role of the PMO shifts to measuring value delivery and not the its traditional focus of budget/schedule measurement.
Thanks for your comments. Agree with you that the skills for a PM are required specially due the complexity in some specific projects and make some activities in the organization for small medium projects more oriented to a team self.empower.
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I agree with above inputs. I have been into this transition for last couple of years. Though in general PM skills and practice is required but it has become just small part of your overall responsibility. In technology companies you may need to wear multiple hats including PM, BA and technical consultant to deliver the program or project end to end. With more competitive environment, it has become micro startup where you need to own end to end to deliver the product.
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1 reply by Dora Mejia
Apr 02, 2019 6:28 AM
Dora Mejia
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Thanks for paricipating. Like the multiple hats we need to wear in the organization
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Apr 01, 2019 9:57 PM
Replying to Varun Kumar
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I agree with above inputs. I have been into this transition for last couple of years. Though in general PM skills and practice is required but it has become just small part of your overall responsibility. In technology companies you may need to wear multiple hats including PM, BA and technical consultant to deliver the program or project end to end. With more competitive environment, it has become micro startup where you need to own end to end to deliver the product.
Thanks for paricipating. Like the multiple hats we need to wear in the organization

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