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How is an organization without projects?
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I am curios about if any organization is able to survive without projects. I am seeing some issues in organizations and some influencers that said "an organization doesn't need Project managers', and organization need to focus in deliver strategy in in acontinuos way to improve their products/services and it is not a Project model way. It is a continuos tranformation model to keep the organization move. What do you think about it?
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May 31, 2019 3:55 AM
Replying to Mohan Kalu
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The only reason for me appling for the pmp exams at 52 years after 32 years of believe you me "expertise and knowledge" in the industry was to up my game so i studied and have my diplomas in project management and operations management.Guess what this was not enough until i was introduced to the pmi institute and i am so glad that i did cause it is the beginning of a whole new environment and i am simply loving it and instinct tells me that i can be such an addition to the project environment out there cause it is certainly the most important and imperitive in every enterprise, business or organisation out there.
thanks for your insight
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May 31, 2019 5:38 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Project are always there into the organizations. What you could not find is an explicit way to run them or if you find an explicit way could not be like PMBOK Guide. But projects are always there. For example I have participated inside the started up of some companies that today are top 5 companies in the world and when the copany is in the first step (growth) forget about to talk about project management and not matter that you can find that knowledge areas inside the PMBOK guide are in place.
thanks, I was not taking about PM practices, in fact you can use this practices for operative models. My question is about having an organization without projects
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May 31, 2019 9:35 AM
Replying to Joshua Bosell
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As Sergio pointed out, projects are everywhere within an organization; regardless of it being an improvement measure that is being implemented, or an end product for an external customer. Many times there are SME's that will act as a Project Leader/Project Manager.

This is fine with me, however; my concern is that an organization has a lack of project structure and workflow to which there is no project control. Without the control, regardless of the result, an organization will lose financially.
thanks. in fact i am trying to identify what kind of organizations can drive strategy without projects concepts
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May 31, 2019 12:08 PM
Replying to Yenny Peguero Jimenez
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Well without a project manager the objectives are not achieved and if they do are not on time, or with the define budget, and what they really need. (Personal experience).
Without projects or without project management discipline?
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May 31, 2019 6:33 PM
Replying to Sante Vergini
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There will always be projects in organizations, and therefore someone running the project, whether or not they call that person a "project manager".
thanks.
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No risk, no reward. Project management is risk management. If an organization doesn't have projects, they aren't taking any risks, and they will be left behind by their competition. Or, they really are taking risks, and not managing them, which will result in many failures.
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A company without projects is one thing a company without project managers is a completely different thing.

Some software companies may focus solely on developing and maintaining software to sell as licenses. Software product development and especially software maintenance can be performed without projects and without project managers.

I know a compnay that develops and delivers to customers a software suite. They have two separate departments one responsible for actual development and maintenance and one for implementation to customers. The product development department does not work with projects and does not have project managers, the software services department primarily operates on projects and PMs are at the core of the activities.

If the above company decides to no longer implement the software to customers but instead let partners do these activities then it will no longer need projects and project managers.

Some companies such as railway companies don't need projects for their core activities but they need to modernize their assets and in such cases they need projects. But even in this cases they don't need to hire PMs they can outsource them.
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Organizations who eliminate project managers may end up in the same situation as accounting/finance departments who eliminate CPAs. The level of expertise is often noticed only when they are gone. The true hallmark of a professional is to make things look easy. By the time the organization realizes that it is not easy it is too late. Then project managers are rehired and the cycle continues.
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Jun 03, 2019 1:00 PM
Adrian Carlogea
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I don't think organizations "eliminate" project manager but instead some of them don't need them at all or they don't need them for the core activities they perform.

For instance a railway company can't use projects and project management to operate its trains. On the other hand the company needs to upgrade the tracks or other assets and in these cases there is a need for project management knowledge. However since projects are not part of the core activities not a lot of PM specialists are needed to be employed and for large projects (which are not common) they can be outsourced.
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Jun 03, 2019 10:30 AM
Replying to John Farlik
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Organizations who eliminate project managers may end up in the same situation as accounting/finance departments who eliminate CPAs. The level of expertise is often noticed only when they are gone. The true hallmark of a professional is to make things look easy. By the time the organization realizes that it is not easy it is too late. Then project managers are rehired and the cycle continues.
I don't think organizations "eliminate" project manager but instead some of them don't need them at all or they don't need them for the core activities they perform.

For instance a railway company can't use projects and project management to operate its trains. On the other hand the company needs to upgrade the tracks or other assets and in these cases there is a need for project management knowledge. However since projects are not part of the core activities not a lot of PM specialists are needed to be employed and for large projects (which are not common) they can be outsourced.
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May 31, 2019 12:08 PM
Replying to Yenny Peguero Jimenez
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Well without a project manager the objectives are not achieved and if they do are not on time, or with the define budget, and what they really need. (Personal experience).
Yes, without project management discipline.
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