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Agile vs Lean
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Hi every one, Is there some difference between Agile and Lean? I see that AGILE takes a lot of Lean Manufacturing concepts, techniques, and Philosophy...


Hola a todos, ¿Hay alguna diferencia entre Agile y Lean? Veo que AGILE toma muchos conceptos, técnicas y filosofía de Lean Manufacturing ...
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Hola Enrique. Te recomiendo que leas la guía de práctica ágil. La guía explica ágil contra sus orígenes Lean.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Jul 09, 2019 6:33 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Stephane, la guia es incorrecta. Agile no fué originado en Lean y el problema mas grande es que la guia se refiere a software aunque intentan decir lo contrario. Basta leerla solamente y tambien basta con ver que fué escrita en conjunto con la Agile Alliance que es Agile aplicado a software.
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I would say Agile is the overarching approach that in a way includes Lean besides other frameworks. Lean is mostly concerned with Eliminating Waste & Improving Process Flow so it concentrates on the process itself.
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The Venn diagram of Lean and Agile most definitely has an overlapping portion, and many of their people-oriented principles, values and philosophies are similar, but there are elements of each which are unique to themselves...
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Bonjour Enrique,

Many links here talk about Agile and Lean, here are a few that could be of interest

Leading Construction Industry to Lean-Agile (LeAgile) Project Management by Suhail Iqbal
https://www.projectmanagement.com/blog-pos...ject-Management

Agile Sustainability: The Business Case for Lean, Agile and Green by Don Kim
https://www.projectmanagement.com/articles...Agile-and-Green

also in the Blog The reluctant Agilist by Dave Prior a few more

or Episode 424: Lean-Agile PMO of Certification Insider by Cornelius Fichtner

Hope it helps in your quest
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Hola Enrique. Aunque el enfoque ágil deriva la mayoría de sus principios de Lean Manufacturing ellas difieren un poco en cómo funcionan. Agile adopta un enfoque iterativo para satisfacer las necesidades del cliente al no comprometerse con el producto final hasta no tener las demandas de antemano. Lean se enfoca más en la satisfacción del cliente al identificar y eliminar cualquier actividad que consuma recursos innecesarios sin dar valor agregado. Existe mucha literatura para ahondar al respecto.
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2 replies by Sergio Luis Conte and Vincent Guerard
Jul 09, 2019 3:45 PM
Vincent Guerard
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¿Ha sugerido literatura?

What literature would you suggest?
Jul 09, 2019 6:29 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Emyra, sorry but Agile and Lean is totally indpendent of the type of life cycle you use. That is a generalized missunderstanding outside there.
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Most histories of the Agile movement show some roots in Lean thinking, especially with the Toyota Production System and their use of Kanban and Kaizen. The lessons of manufacturing had a significant influence on Agile software development. If a distinction must be made, I could argue that Lean is more rooted in manufacturing while Agile was born in Research & Development.

Of course, both have continued to evolve and expand, but you can still map their principles and practices to each other. At the very least, many coaches will assert that Lean and Agile are compatible.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Jul 09, 2019 6:31 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Sorry Wade but that is right is you read about Scrum not about Agile in general. In fact as you know stories like Scrum are related to software file but Agile and Lean were create before that. In fact, the first use of Agile word was in a paper published in the USA in 1985 called "Agile Manufacturing".
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Agile and Lean are TOTALY DIFFERENT. Is not right that Agile took Lean, totally wrong. In fact, Lean is flow based while Agile is not. While I was part of the genesis of Agile that was outside software and then I was part of software movement I prefer you go to the basement (see some links below).
It does not mean that one is better than other, In fact, including my actual work place, I was in charge to implement both and we are using both.
Most of the results deliverd into the place where Agile was born are here:
http://www.parshift.com/index.htm
About the difference between Lean and Agile take a look here:
http://www.parshift.com/s/130701Insight-En...ileSecurity.pdf
Lean gives you flexibility. Agile gives you agility. Both are different things because the second one is to be prepare and to generate unplanned events in the invironment.
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Jul 09, 2019 12:12 PM
Replying to Emyra Andarcia
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Hola Enrique. Aunque el enfoque ágil deriva la mayoría de sus principios de Lean Manufacturing ellas difieren un poco en cómo funcionan. Agile adopta un enfoque iterativo para satisfacer las necesidades del cliente al no comprometerse con el producto final hasta no tener las demandas de antemano. Lean se enfoca más en la satisfacción del cliente al identificar y eliminar cualquier actividad que consuma recursos innecesarios sin dar valor agregado. Existe mucha literatura para ahondar al respecto.
¿Ha sugerido literatura?

What literature would you suggest?
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Jul 09, 2019 12:12 PM
Replying to Emyra Andarcia
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Hola Enrique. Aunque el enfoque ágil deriva la mayoría de sus principios de Lean Manufacturing ellas difieren un poco en cómo funcionan. Agile adopta un enfoque iterativo para satisfacer las necesidades del cliente al no comprometerse con el producto final hasta no tener las demandas de antemano. Lean se enfoca más en la satisfacción del cliente al identificar y eliminar cualquier actividad que consuma recursos innecesarios sin dar valor agregado. Existe mucha literatura para ahondar al respecto.
Emyra, sorry but Agile and Lean is totally indpendent of the type of life cycle you use. That is a generalized missunderstanding outside there.
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Jul 09, 2019 12:32 PM
Replying to Wade Harshman
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Most histories of the Agile movement show some roots in Lean thinking, especially with the Toyota Production System and their use of Kanban and Kaizen. The lessons of manufacturing had a significant influence on Agile software development. If a distinction must be made, I could argue that Lean is more rooted in manufacturing while Agile was born in Research & Development.

Of course, both have continued to evolve and expand, but you can still map their principles and practices to each other. At the very least, many coaches will assert that Lean and Agile are compatible.
Sorry Wade but that is right is you read about Scrum not about Agile in general. In fact as you know stories like Scrum are related to software file but Agile and Lean were create before that. In fact, the first use of Agile word was in a paper published in the USA in 1985 called "Agile Manufacturing".
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1 reply by Wade Harshman
Jul 10, 2019 8:44 AM
Wade Harshman
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Actually Sergio, I am talking about Agile and not about Scrum specifically. By "roots" I am talking about the longer history that led to the development of both Lean and the Agile movements. Therefore I cannot talk about "Agile" in terms of software only, I have to go back decades earlier and consider the lessons learned in other industries, especially the research done in the aerospace industry. Similarly, I cannot talk about modern "Lean" practices without talking about people like Ford or Deming. I've found that it helps to realize how the principles discovered in one industry can be applied to other industries, even though technology has changed a great deal.

These are all too intertwined to separate them in my mind, and I blame smart people like you for showing me how they're all connected.
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