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It seems free speech is at stake. The purpose of this forum (denoted by its very title) is to have "discussions". When I posted a thread about the new logo, it wasn't long before the moderators stopped the ability to reply. I have to wonder, if the replies had been positive about the new PMI logo, would the thread have been closed? Promoting dissenting opinion (free speech) is the foundation of democracy. Suppressing it is actually the definition of fascism.
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Sante -- let's not go too far down this dark road!

Heather closed two of three postings on the same topic in attempt to have one thread with all the comments -- warts and all; whatever may be! This topic was first posted by Kiron. She was simply directing this particular subject matter to the original posting on the PMI Logo so that there is one place for this hot-button topic for people to comment.

Have at-it! Weigh-in on Kiron's posting. And in reviewing all those replies you will find a full spectrum of likes/dislikes.
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1 reply by Sante Vergini
Oct 09, 2019 1:41 PM
Sante Vergini
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Are we to assume that topics can only be opened once, by an originator, and if not, they will be closed and referred to a former thread on the same topic? In that case, half the threads would be closed. Thank goodness this doesn't occur in academic research or we would have nothing to build our knowledge upon. I have seen old threads revisited many times and new insights revealed just by a new spark that was ignited. Granted, the threads regarding the logo are relatively recent, but they will appear again in the future. Will they also be closed using the same logic, even though the people who originally replied may not even be engaged at that point? When a discussion thread disappears off the front page into oblivion (other than for the people who originally subscribed to the thread), sometimes the only way for new people to engage is to resurrect the topic. The evidence of this is the new people that replied to my thread that are not in Kiron's thread. Yes, there are superfluous topics that should not be resurrected, but I would have thought the new branding/logo of the institution responsible for us all being here was not one of them. Thanks for weighing in James.
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Oct 09, 2019 1:11 PM
Replying to James Shields
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Sante -- let's not go too far down this dark road!

Heather closed two of three postings on the same topic in attempt to have one thread with all the comments -- warts and all; whatever may be! This topic was first posted by Kiron. She was simply directing this particular subject matter to the original posting on the PMI Logo so that there is one place for this hot-button topic for people to comment.

Have at-it! Weigh-in on Kiron's posting. And in reviewing all those replies you will find a full spectrum of likes/dislikes.
Are we to assume that topics can only be opened once, by an originator, and if not, they will be closed and referred to a former thread on the same topic? In that case, half the threads would be closed. Thank goodness this doesn't occur in academic research or we would have nothing to build our knowledge upon. I have seen old threads revisited many times and new insights revealed just by a new spark that was ignited. Granted, the threads regarding the logo are relatively recent, but they will appear again in the future. Will they also be closed using the same logic, even though the people who originally replied may not even be engaged at that point? When a discussion thread disappears off the front page into oblivion (other than for the people who originally subscribed to the thread), sometimes the only way for new people to engage is to resurrect the topic. The evidence of this is the new people that replied to my thread that are not in Kiron's thread. Yes, there are superfluous topics that should not be resurrected, but I would have thought the new branding/logo of the institution responsible for us all being here was not one of them. Thanks for weighing in James.
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1 reply by Eduard Hernandez
Oct 10, 2019 8:23 AM
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You make a very good point here. I am not sure how many times the question on recommendations to pass PMP has been formulated, and I have not seen - I could be mistaken - those threads being closed.

On the logo opinion, I also started a Poll, since I thought that it would give a more clear view on the grade of liking/disliking.

https://www.projectmanagement.com/polls/58...n-new-PMI-Logo-
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Dear Sante
Has your topic been deleted or no longer visible because you no longer have contributions from members?
I, while Kiron did it, created a topic about the new logo
As I cannot delete the threads I apologized for having done so and Heather would please delete it.
I think it is only under these circumstances (when requested by the person) that topics should be deleted
If we are not facing the situation I described, I consider it serious to delete the topics created by some people
I realized that there was a change in the site.
Before the logo change, when someone created a thread for discussion this topic was clearly visible and associated with the photograph of the person who created it.
Today it does not happen.
I consider a change for the worse
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Sante -- You may want to take this up directly with Heather.

Luis -- Both Sante's and David's discussion threads are available for review; they're just closed. Nothing has been deleted.
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2 replies by Luis Branco and Sante Vergini
Oct 10, 2019 12:48 AM
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Thanks James, but the policy seems clear, so not much point. I don't require clarification only justification. Justice is a whole other branch of thought when it comes to free speech. I look at it from a high level; closing a thread stops someone who might have otherwise posted something prolific. They are unlikely to search discussion topics and find that thread to post a reply. So in that way, free speech has been curtailed. Don't mind me, it's just the philosophical wranglings I have from time to time. Still confused how they skipped a thousand other repeated threads that were not closed, but I digress.
Oct 10, 2019 3:18 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear James
Where are these topics?
Can you put the link here?
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Luis,

Sante’s thread was not deleted, it was just locked with a comment to post under a different thread (with a link provided). The action taken was explained via a comment and aligns with the user guidelines of the site where it states to “Do not multi-post or cross-post within the community”.

With all due respect to Sante, this action was taken to assist the community not to hamper it. I posted on Kiron’s thread and also on Sante’s (before it was locked/closed) as I wanted my opinion known. However, it would have been easier if other threads were not created, necessitating an additional post on my part.

I understand the branding is an emotional subject for us, but let’s take a step back and recognize that PMI was not trying to stop opinion on this subject (nor could they), they were simply consolidating threads – which should be appreciated as it prevents individuals like me from repeating my thoughts.
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Would have been ideal to merge them, but don't think the platform has that capability. The rationale was to avoid having multiple threads open and active simultaneously, e.g., keeping our house clean, which as George states, was to benefit the community.

I'm an advocate of searching before posting, and recommend to new users when possible, especially on a topic that has a strong potential for open discussions. As a consumer of information, I'd prefer to see consolidated opinions when possible.

Hope things are well for you.
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1 reply by Sante Vergini
Oct 10, 2019 12:40 AM
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Merging would be a good option Andrew, but hard to do if multiple authors raise the same topic. If the originator gets one reply, and then a subsequent raiser gets 100 responses, does their thread get closed and the 100 responses merged with the originator with 1 post? Petty issues like that ;-) I'm well my friend, just very busy, like everyone I suppose.
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Dear Geroge
If the situation:
- It was managed, with an exchange of views with Sante
- If the opinions collected on the thread he created were transcribed to the old thread
We are facing a situation similar to what happened to me.
I took the initiative to ask them to delete my topic
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Dear Andrew
Sometimes we take a minute of our time to give our opinion and / or gather other people's opinions on a topic we consider important.
Looking if this topic has been the subject of conversation turns out to be uncomfortable
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I'm certainly not against multiple threads on a similar topic if the focus is sufficiently different OR if sufficient time (e.g. months) has passed between the discussions.

In this case, all three threads were opened within a matter of a day or two of each other and were all soliciting feedback on the re-branding.

As such, I understand and support the moderators' actions.

Kiron
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1 reply by Sante Vergini
Oct 10, 2019 12:59 AM
Sante Vergini
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Perhaps I will bring it up in a few months' time then. I fear the logo will still be disturbing minds by then.
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Oct 09, 2019 3:23 PM
Replying to Andrew Craig
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Would have been ideal to merge them, but don't think the platform has that capability. The rationale was to avoid having multiple threads open and active simultaneously, e.g., keeping our house clean, which as George states, was to benefit the community.

I'm an advocate of searching before posting, and recommend to new users when possible, especially on a topic that has a strong potential for open discussions. As a consumer of information, I'd prefer to see consolidated opinions when possible.

Hope things are well for you.
Merging would be a good option Andrew, but hard to do if multiple authors raise the same topic. If the originator gets one reply, and then a subsequent raiser gets 100 responses, does their thread get closed and the 100 responses merged with the originator with 1 post? Petty issues like that ;-) I'm well my friend, just very busy, like everyone I suppose.
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