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Project Manager in the Agile World
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I know, I know this question has been discussed deliberated multiple times before. We know and are convinced that we need project managers in the Agile world. How will this role transform in the Agile world? Do share your thoughts here.
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I believe the two worlds of Agile and traditional project management will becomg increasingly hybrid.
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1 reply by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 10:49 PM
Priya Patra
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I feel that way too , thank you for your inputs Sante !
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There is a big mistake outside there: thinking that Agile ends in Scrum. There are other agile based methods like DSDM where the PM role is defined. In fact, DSDM has few marketing but is the method used in UK Goverment for example. Second, the importance that´s not rest in the role, the importance is in the functions the role performs then you will find the functions assigned to ther role or distributed between roles.
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2 replies by Luis Branco and Priya Patra
Nov 27, 2019 11:06 AM
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Dear Sergio.
Thanks for your comment
In the DA world what is the role of Project Manager?
Nov 29, 2019 10:51 PM
Priya Patra
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Hi Luis, Thank you for pointing put DSDM, I will definitely study a little more on this. And true Agile does not mean SCRUM always !
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I think that we're going to be looking at a hybrid world moving forward but I think that it's going to be moving towards a larger emphasis on the role of "people" vs. "resources" and seeing how we can manage the documentation aspect of traditional waterfall in an agile world.
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1 reply by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 10:51 PM
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Thanks Emily for your response.
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I agree fully with Mr.Sergio and partly with others. The PM role becomes more broadened with additional responsibilities to drive traditional, Agile or hybrid projects going forward. Infact Project Manager role will be key to bring requisite stakeholders/SMES from the customer organization and service provider organizations. Cost containment, effective delivery and backlogs will keep PM more engaged then traditional SDLC based projects. Project Assessment criteria and qualification mechanism of Agile Vs Traditional Vs Hybrid becomes critical process for every organisation.
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1 reply by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 10:56 PM
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Thank you Suneel for your response. I think as projects gets more and more connected, the role of project manager expands more. I think the Project manager will be the common thread that will tie everyone together towards a common goal !
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A lot will depend on how the organization chooses to staff its projects but in general most of the role of the PM remains unchanged - stakeholder engagement, financial management, risk management and so on.

However, assuming the PM is working with some agile leads (coaches/Scrum Masters), the responsibility for building a high performing team would migrate to those roles, and progress and work reporting would change from a push to a pull model. Finally, the PM would likely be a secondary point of escalation after the coaches/SMs.

I would also expect the PM to be shifting their closest working relationships from the team members to the PO & coaches/SMs.

Finally, the PM will need to broaden their "toolbelt" to be comfortable interacting with the all the possible "ways of working" which the team might land upon to deliver the scope of the project.
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1 reply by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 10:53 PM
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Appreciate your response Kiron. Will the SM and the coaches report to the PM then ?
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Definitely, interesting changes have been happening around the delineation of roles. The line is blurring for what organizations seem to be looking for. And with the adoption of a hybrid model in many organizations, there is an increasing number of hybrid PM's with an equal increase for a need of PM's with that specific experience. Just take a look at the specifications in Job Req's.
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1 reply by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 10:57 PM
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Thank you Andrew for your inputs !
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I agree with Sergio.
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2 replies by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 10:57 PM
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Thanks Abolfazl for your inputs
Nov 29, 2019 10:57 PM
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Thanks Abolfazl for your inputs
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I'd be nervous about the PM world trying to change Agile culture. Frankly, we've been behind the curve on this cultural shift, and we shouldn't go barging in and trying to make changes that suit us. That's a good way to become irrelevant.

There is a place for project management in agile organizations, but we should enter with a degree of humility and adapt to the new style of organization, not enter the organization and try to change it. We should embrace some of the ancient proverbial wisdom about the reed that bends and survives the storm (as opposed to the strong tree that is blown over). I would ask the counter-question: how should PMs adapt to changing business cultures?

...I'll go ahead and answer the response that I know is coming, that PMs should be change agents. This is true in some cases, especially when a growing organization needs to implement project management in order to survive. But I would hope that any PM would enter a new organization with enough self-awareness to learn the culture before trying to make changes. In the case of larger business trends like agility, we need to assess how we should adapt to the changing business world rather than trying to change the business world to suit us.
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2 replies by Luis Branco and Sergio Luis Conte
Nov 27, 2019 10:23 AM
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@Wade, you have made a very interesting comment (as usual by the way). That´s the problem for some PM´s that become dinosaurs. PM´s have to understand that the focus is the solution, not the project. But that´s a debate from long time ago. For those PM´s that all their work life have been working with focus on solution work in Agile based environments is not a problem. Let me give an example. In my actual work place we have firve different "ways" to execute a project where one of them is Scrum and other is our own Agile based method. The same person is assigned to more than one project using more than one way mostly of the times with totally different approches. And not problem with that.
Nov 27, 2019 11:10 AM
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Dear Wad
Interesting perspective
Thank you for sharing
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Nov 27, 2019 8:35 AM
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I'd be nervous about the PM world trying to change Agile culture. Frankly, we've been behind the curve on this cultural shift, and we shouldn't go barging in and trying to make changes that suit us. That's a good way to become irrelevant.

There is a place for project management in agile organizations, but we should enter with a degree of humility and adapt to the new style of organization, not enter the organization and try to change it. We should embrace some of the ancient proverbial wisdom about the reed that bends and survives the storm (as opposed to the strong tree that is blown over). I would ask the counter-question: how should PMs adapt to changing business cultures?

...I'll go ahead and answer the response that I know is coming, that PMs should be change agents. This is true in some cases, especially when a growing organization needs to implement project management in order to survive. But I would hope that any PM would enter a new organization with enough self-awareness to learn the culture before trying to make changes. In the case of larger business trends like agility, we need to assess how we should adapt to the changing business world rather than trying to change the business world to suit us.
@Wade, you have made a very interesting comment (as usual by the way). That´s the problem for some PM´s that become dinosaurs. PM´s have to understand that the focus is the solution, not the project. But that´s a debate from long time ago. For those PM´s that all their work life have been working with focus on solution work in Agile based environments is not a problem. Let me give an example. In my actual work place we have firve different "ways" to execute a project where one of them is Scrum and other is our own Agile based method. The same person is assigned to more than one project using more than one way mostly of the times with totally different approches. And not problem with that.
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1 reply by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 11:04 PM
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Thank you Sergio for your response. Agree PMs need to evolve with the new ways of working. Rather than focusing on the role, I feel we should focus on how we can add value, solution ( here I don't mean technical solution ) or being change agents or may be - be that common thread that ties all projects together to that common vision.
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I looked at recent job trends in project management in Australia, and they listed Agile, Change Management and Digital Transformation all as key trends. My current and previous role included all 3 across both roles, so they must be on to something.
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2 replies by Priya Patra and Sergio Luis Conte
Nov 27, 2019 11:56 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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That´s the big problem I pointed out into all forums I am participating on. something project management, something transformation, something anything does not exist. PMI and other are contributing to "making bad" to all of us.
Nov 29, 2019 11:07 PM
Priya Patra
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So trends are inclined towards agile, change management, digital transformation - which is again change management in my opinion.
Thank you for your inputs Sante !
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