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Do most project managers also double as business analysts?
I notice from most of the project that I have engaged in that I end up collecting the project requirements and also managing the process of the same with SMEs. In real practice, I have also had to use PMIS to collect, analyze and present data.

So while I have acquired training in business analysis, I sometimes struggle to see its use in real practice (at least on some of the projects I have worked on)
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When my project was small, it was not unusual for me to do business analysis tasks such as eliciting requirements or preparing test cases.
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 10, 2019 1:38 PM
Ola Abimbola
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Thank you for this feedback. However I also think that the structure of an organization might also be a determinant factor...what do you think?
Dec 10, 2019 1:20 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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When my project was small, it was not unusual for me to do business analysis tasks such as eliciting requirements or preparing test cases.
Thank you for this feedback. However I also think that the structure of an organization might also be a determinant factor...what do you think?
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2 replies by Ola Abimbola and Stéphane Parent
Dec 10, 2019 5:33 PM
Stéphane Parent
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That was not my experience, Ola.
Dec 11, 2019 12:45 PM
Ola Abimbola
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hmmm...Okay . Thank you so much for your perspective on this matter.
Ola -

The roles within a team will be dictated by a company's organization structure and the complexity of the given project. Even in a company where they have defined BA/BSA roles, if the project is small or low complexity, the PM or even Business Owner might perform traditional BA-type work although their acumen might lean more towards gathering requirements than eliciting and analyzing them...

Kiron
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 11, 2019 12:53 PM
Ola Abimbola
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I agree with this perspective and that I why I have also come to the conclusion that by and large, the actual definition of these roles are largely based on the way the operating organization interprets them in practice
Business Analyst is not related to project. Business Analyst is related to whole solution. Business Analyst start working before a project exists, working along the project execution as supoorting role, continue working when project ends to monitoring if benefits are met. Project manager focus is the process to create the solution while Business analyst focus is the solution from idea definition to benefits realization.
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1 reply by Bob Thomas
Dec 11, 2019 12:24 PM
Bob Thomas
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In all of the Dev shops I've worked in, large and small, that's not been true. Many times the Fickle Finger of Fate points to one BA working on the requirements and they become the anointed PM. Other times, the BA needed help, or left the project and as PM, I had to fill in and get things done to keep to the schedule. Either way, BA skills are highly useful as a PM.
Dec 10, 2019 1:38 PM
Replying to Ola Abimbola
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Thank you for this feedback. However I also think that the structure of an organization might also be a determinant factor...what do you think?
That was not my experience, Ola.
Hi Abimbola! How are you doing!? Just to clarify... Are you talking about project requirements or product requirements? Must of the time project requirements are set before. Product requirements may be set during the project execution (for example software integration requirements) and in some cases it is done by a project manager. Rgs
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2 replies by Ola Abimbola and Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 11, 2019 12:47 PM
Ola Abimbola
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Thank you for your feedback. In this instance I am referring to both. I also observed that the "role" BA in some organizations are just superficial and are not different from someone who gathers data. The PM ends up analyzing the data. That does not mean that in real practice I have not seen situations where these functions are separated. I am just saying that by and large it is become rather a "fused" role where the PM ends up doing the bulk of the entire job
Dec 11, 2019 3:17 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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@Alexandre, perhaps I did not understand your post but it is just the opposite. Project requirements must be defined from product requirements. PM is accountable for project requirements while BA is accountable for product requirements. That´s because BA role is very important and it is totally different from PM role.
Dec 10, 2019 5:26 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Business Analyst is not related to project. Business Analyst is related to whole solution. Business Analyst start working before a project exists, working along the project execution as supoorting role, continue working when project ends to monitoring if benefits are met. Project manager focus is the process to create the solution while Business analyst focus is the solution from idea definition to benefits realization.
In all of the Dev shops I've worked in, large and small, that's not been true. Many times the Fickle Finger of Fate points to one BA working on the requirements and they become the anointed PM. Other times, the BA needed help, or left the project and as PM, I had to fill in and get things done to keep to the schedule. Either way, BA skills are highly useful as a PM.
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2 replies by Ola Abimbola and Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 11, 2019 12:37 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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@Bob, I lived situations than you stated and others, mainly because when I started as BA the PM perform both roles. So, as my grandmother said "each home is a world unto itself". But please let me say I have the opportunity to be part of role creation working with IIBA and then with the PMI (not role creation in this case and just contributing to standards creation) and no matter that I participated in lot of BA role implementation. When organizations understand that both roles are totally different including the abilities to perform both roles are totally different then the role implementation and its interaction with PM role start to provide benefits. But in the minetime I agree with you that you can find lot of different implementations for the BA role.
Dec 11, 2019 12:49 PM
Ola Abimbola
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Your point of view is very similar to some of the experiences I have had.
Dec 11, 2019 12:24 PM
Replying to Bob Thomas
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In all of the Dev shops I've worked in, large and small, that's not been true. Many times the Fickle Finger of Fate points to one BA working on the requirements and they become the anointed PM. Other times, the BA needed help, or left the project and as PM, I had to fill in and get things done to keep to the schedule. Either way, BA skills are highly useful as a PM.
@Bob, I lived situations than you stated and others, mainly because when I started as BA the PM perform both roles. So, as my grandmother said "each home is a world unto itself". But please let me say I have the opportunity to be part of role creation working with IIBA and then with the PMI (not role creation in this case and just contributing to standards creation) and no matter that I participated in lot of BA role implementation. When organizations understand that both roles are totally different including the abilities to perform both roles are totally different then the role implementation and its interaction with PM role start to provide benefits. But in the minetime I agree with you that you can find lot of different implementations for the BA role.
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1 reply by Ola Abimbola
Dec 11, 2019 12:52 PM
Ola Abimbola
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From your response, it is quite evident that while the BA and PM specialists know the difference between the two roles and functions, some operating organizations tend to fuse them together, thus the confusion. A lot of organizations advertise the BA role but when you are employed you find out you are actually acting the the capacity of the PM and vise versa..my experience in some cases
Dec 10, 2019 1:38 PM
Replying to Ola Abimbola
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Thank you for this feedback. However I also think that the structure of an organization might also be a determinant factor...what do you think?
hmmm...Okay . Thank you so much for your perspective on this matter.
Dec 10, 2019 6:32 PM
Replying to Alexandre Herrmann
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Hi Abimbola! How are you doing!? Just to clarify... Are you talking about project requirements or product requirements? Must of the time project requirements are set before. Product requirements may be set during the project execution (for example software integration requirements) and in some cases it is done by a project manager. Rgs
Thank you for your feedback. In this instance I am referring to both. I also observed that the "role" BA in some organizations are just superficial and are not different from someone who gathers data. The PM ends up analyzing the data. That does not mean that in real practice I have not seen situations where these functions are separated. I am just saying that by and large it is become rather a "fused" role where the PM ends up doing the bulk of the entire job
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