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Is Discipline Agile become like Scrum Alliance?
After seeing so many criticisms about the Scrum Master training of the Scrum alliance, normally 2-day workshops that were quite expensive and on the opposite side that Scrum.org was better less expensive and more demanding.Behold, I am surprised that if anyone wants to obtain the CDA from DA they must participate in a minimum of a 2 to 4-day workshop according to their background of knowledge.

How to Become a Certified Disciplined Agilist (CDA) - Attend a Disciplined Agile Lean Scrum Master class.

The value of the minimum 2-day training "PMI Disciplined Agile Lean Scrum Master (DALSM) -2 Day" between 1,199 $ -1,495 $ quite expensive do not think? ( The price could change according to the training provider, but not to much)

Is PMI following the business model of Scrum Alliance?
How come this certification could be more expensive than PMP and less flexible because is not spread over the world?
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Alexandre -

I can't comment on why PMI/DA elected to make taking a class a prerequisite for the CDA certification, but I can say that there are training partners available globally to provide training to those interested in achieving this or another DA certification. Most PMI Chapters will also have DA champions identified later this year who will help their members locate suitable training...

Kiron
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2 replies by Luis Branco and Rami Kaibni
Feb 09, 2020 4:12 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Kiron

While I agree with you, yet, the price is not any different. It’s super expensive. My colleague is joining a class for $1,300.

RK
Feb 10, 2020 2:31 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Kiron
You wrote: "PMI Chapters will also have DA champions identified later this year who will help their members locate suitable training..."

Is the training of the PMI Chapters champions free? All courses promoted by DA?
Feb 09, 2020 4:01 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Alexandre -

I can't comment on why PMI/DA elected to make taking a class a prerequisite for the CDA certification, but I can say that there are training partners available globally to provide training to those interested in achieving this or another DA certification. Most PMI Chapters will also have DA champions identified later this year who will help their members locate suitable training...

Kiron
Kiron

While I agree with you, yet, the price is not any different. It’s super expensive. My colleague is joining a class for $1,300.

RK
Kiron,

Thank you for sharing your opinion, nevertheless I think that class is way to expensive. I do not know about the other chapters, but my chapter (Portugal) despite my efforts on obtaining information about this process didn't have the kindness of replying to my email after two months and I know personally the direction board.
I know for a fact that the champions will not be able to provide training, so their function is limited to spread the word and advising.
Probably later this year I let my membership expire because the costs are greater then the benefits, I am not optimistic about the future and I am preparing as contingency plan a certification in other project management institution.( institution that's also see importance in European countries, not mainly in the american continent)

Alexandre
There is significant value in an in-person class. The power of the group, networking, etc., is a significant piece of the cost and is only justified through a positive experience, but substantiated nonetheless. That said, could help spread faster with reduced cost or removed requisite of the 2-day class.
For those whose attendance is not sponsored, shelling out that cost is, well, optimistic. And even if sponsored, still a hefty cost.
Feb 09, 2020 4:01 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Alexandre -

I can't comment on why PMI/DA elected to make taking a class a prerequisite for the CDA certification, but I can say that there are training partners available globally to provide training to those interested in achieving this or another DA certification. Most PMI Chapters will also have DA champions identified later this year who will help their members locate suitable training...

Kiron
Dear Kiron
You wrote: "PMI Chapters will also have DA champions identified later this year who will help their members locate suitable training..."

Is the training of the PMI Chapters champions free? All courses promoted by DA?
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1 reply by Alexandre Costa
Feb 10, 2020 2:59 AM
Alexandre Costa
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Luís,

According to the program annouced, the Champions don't have to be certified in DA and if the local chapter or the champion, see's that there is value in that, in that case could pay the training to the champion or the champion himself pays the training.

So as you see there are no free lunches for the local chapters, they should make the publicity and even so they have to support the costs, the only thing that is offered are 10 books of the WOW DA.

Alexandre.
Alexandre,
I can recommend you the Scrum.org certifications (acknowledged worldwide). They advise but do NOT mandate classroom training / workshop before taking an exam. They provide materials for self studying. I used these materials and completed my online certification exam successfully.
https://www.scrum.org/professional-scrum-certifications
Feb 10, 2020 2:31 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Kiron
You wrote: "PMI Chapters will also have DA champions identified later this year who will help their members locate suitable training..."

Is the training of the PMI Chapters champions free? All courses promoted by DA?
Luís,

According to the program annouced, the Champions don't have to be certified in DA and if the local chapter or the champion, see's that there is value in that, in that case could pay the training to the champion or the champion himself pays the training.

So as you see there are no free lunches for the local chapters, they should make the publicity and even so they have to support the costs, the only thing that is offered are 10 books of the WOW DA.

Alexandre.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Feb 10, 2020 1:36 PM
Luis Branco
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Dear Alexandre
Thank you for sharing your comment with us

I am thinking here how many champions (volunteers) DA will achieve through the chapters

And very curious. Will they release these results?
An initial batch of DA champions was trained in Atlanta in November at the first train-the-trainer session which I attended. They have also benefited from free access to the DA exams.

As far as the pricing model goes, training companies like ours are setting the prices high because we have to pay royalties to PMI for use of the IP. I would expect some discounts for companies who will train on behalf of PMI chapters but not significant ones.

Kiron
I recently read that PMI was looking for a way to acknowledge existing Lean or Agile experience. So perhaps a class won't necessarily be a requirement for everybody?

Nevertheless, I'm not one of those who decries the classroom and mentorship model. I understand the concerns about the cost, but it's a valid approach to certifying that someone has received training. Remember, too, that PMI has one of the most highly-favored and widely-recognized certifications (PMP), which requires documented work experience, Project Management training, and potentially a 4-year-degree. How much does all THAT cost? Yet that's an inherent part of the value in the certification. If it were merely an exam with no validation for experience, would the PMP be worth as much?
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1 reply by Alexandre Costa
Feb 10, 2020 2:08 PM
Alexandre Costa
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Wade ,

I understand your arguments, nevertheless the 4 year degree is not mandatory. The experience required makes sense however I do not see any benefits for PMI members and was our money paying all this acquisitions. It also doesn’t make sense for a 2 to 4-day certification to cost half of a 4 year degree at least in my country.

Alexandre
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