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PMI R.E.P. Program Change
PMI released the new Authorized Training Partner (ATP) Program for the PMP Certification.

The new program involves major changes that could alter lots of things currently on the table

It will be interesting to see how current R.E.P’s feel about this. What are you thoughts on this ?
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In one of the discussion threads on LinkedIn, John Char mentioned that with this new program and although PMI strongly encourages going through ATP's, yet PDU’s and Hours will still be accepted after July 2020 from non-authorized training providers.

If this is the case, then how does this help REP’s and give them advantage ? With those additional expenses, I believe that many will opt to go another route and take courses elsewhere from non-PMI- REP’s.
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2 replies by Andrew Soswa and Vito Madaio
Feb 29, 2020 2:14 AM
Vito Madaio
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This is the big problem: bcame an affiliate as teacher for an ATP or going alone and supply education based on the proper experience?
How to survive working in this field?
Feb 29, 2020 4:03 PM
Andrew Soswa
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@Rami,
After reading PMI REP docs, I disagree that "PDU’s and Hours will still be accepted after July 2020 from non-authorized training providers". Where does it say so?
Here is the link for the manual and announcement from PMI:

https://www.pmi.org/update-center/rep-program-update
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1 reply by Mohd Azmirul Adha Azmir
Jul 27, 2020 7:12 AM
Mohd Azmirul Adha Azmir
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Thanks for sharing
Rami -

There's a couple of other open threads with a number of responses from other folks (myself included) on this topic.

In short, this change was done without following good change management and stakeholder engagement practices - not to say that PMI is required to have done so, but it is a little sad when an association which champions the importance of these on transformational projects does not follow their own gospel.

As for the benefits to ATP members, PMI has indicated that they would get preferential marketing and some Tier 1 companies might prefer to go with providers who are part of the ATP program rather than unaffiliated ones.

From a learner perspective it should make no difference. If we believe in a relative free market, low quality providers will fail as a result of poor testimonials and good quality ones will persist.

Kiron
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Feb 28, 2020 1:43 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Kiron

Thanks for your response. When you say other threads, you mean in this community or on LinkedIn ?

It's interesting as most of the feedback I've seen shows some sort of frustration from the new program.

Do you believe that since PDU’s and Hours will still be accepted after July 2020 from non-authorized training providers, people will prefer to go for R.E.P.'s for training and pay much more ? What are your thoughts on this ? There are non-REP that have great reviews.

RK
Feb 28, 2020 9:12 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Rami -

There's a couple of other open threads with a number of responses from other folks (myself included) on this topic.

In short, this change was done without following good change management and stakeholder engagement practices - not to say that PMI is required to have done so, but it is a little sad when an association which champions the importance of these on transformational projects does not follow their own gospel.

As for the benefits to ATP members, PMI has indicated that they would get preferential marketing and some Tier 1 companies might prefer to go with providers who are part of the ATP program rather than unaffiliated ones.

From a learner perspective it should make no difference. If we believe in a relative free market, low quality providers will fail as a result of poor testimonials and good quality ones will persist.

Kiron
Kiron

Thanks for your response. When you say other threads, you mean in this community or on LinkedIn ?

It's interesting as most of the feedback I've seen shows some sort of frustration from the new program.

Do you believe that since PDU’s and Hours will still be accepted after July 2020 from non-authorized training providers, people will prefer to go for R.E.P.'s for training and pay much more ? What are your thoughts on this ? There are non-REP that have great reviews.

RK
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Feb 28, 2020 4:13 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Rami -

Both in the LinkedIn "closed" REP discussion group and a few threads here (https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...artner-Program, https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...P-requirements, https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...ning-business-) are showing the frustration many have with this change and how it was implemented.

I don't necessarily feel that ATPs will charge more for their courses - if they did so, they would be at a disadvantage to non-ATPs. I think they are hoping to recoup the significant program costs through greater volume of students resulting from being given "preferential" treatment by PMI...

Kiron
Feb 28, 2020 1:43 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Kiron

Thanks for your response. When you say other threads, you mean in this community or on LinkedIn ?

It's interesting as most of the feedback I've seen shows some sort of frustration from the new program.

Do you believe that since PDU’s and Hours will still be accepted after July 2020 from non-authorized training providers, people will prefer to go for R.E.P.'s for training and pay much more ? What are your thoughts on this ? There are non-REP that have great reviews.

RK
Rami -

Both in the LinkedIn "closed" REP discussion group and a few threads here (https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...artner-Program, https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...P-requirements, https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...ning-business-) are showing the frustration many have with this change and how it was implemented.

I don't necessarily feel that ATPs will charge more for their courses - if they did so, they would be at a disadvantage to non-ATPs. I think they are hoping to recoup the significant program costs through greater volume of students resulting from being given "preferential" treatment by PMI...

Kiron
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Feb 28, 2020 7:13 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Thanks Kiron, I wasn't aware of those threads although I checked but I might have missed them.

Its a tough situation and it seems there is lots of frustration so it will be interesting to see how it shakes up.
Feb 28, 2020 4:13 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Rami -

Both in the LinkedIn "closed" REP discussion group and a few threads here (https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...artner-Program, https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...P-requirements, https://www.projectmanagement.com/discussi...ning-business-) are showing the frustration many have with this change and how it was implemented.

I don't necessarily feel that ATPs will charge more for their courses - if they did so, they would be at a disadvantage to non-ATPs. I think they are hoping to recoup the significant program costs through greater volume of students resulting from being given "preferential" treatment by PMI...

Kiron
Thanks Kiron, I wasn't aware of those threads although I checked but I might have missed them.

Its a tough situation and it seems there is lots of frustration so it will be interesting to see how it shakes up.
Feb 27, 2020 6:54 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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In one of the discussion threads on LinkedIn, John Char mentioned that with this new program and although PMI strongly encourages going through ATP's, yet PDU’s and Hours will still be accepted after July 2020 from non-authorized training providers.

If this is the case, then how does this help REP’s and give them advantage ? With those additional expenses, I believe that many will opt to go another route and take courses elsewhere from non-PMI- REP’s.
This is the big problem: bcame an affiliate as teacher for an ATP or going alone and supply education based on the proper experience?
How to survive working in this field?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Feb 29, 2020 8:59 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Vito -

Unless you are very well known in the local PM community (e.g. published multiple times, invited as a keynote speaker on regular basis), it will be very difficult to make it on your own as a solo instructor.

It may be better to start with an established training firm and then once you feel that you have sufficient "critical mass" of references, set up your own firm.

Training is also a seasonal activity and has its peaks and troughs so you need to have good financial reserves and alternate pursuits to deal with "down time".

Kiron
Feb 29, 2020 2:14 AM
Replying to Vito Madaio
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This is the big problem: bcame an affiliate as teacher for an ATP or going alone and supply education based on the proper experience?
How to survive working in this field?
Vito -

Unless you are very well known in the local PM community (e.g. published multiple times, invited as a keynote speaker on regular basis), it will be very difficult to make it on your own as a solo instructor.

It may be better to start with an established training firm and then once you feel that you have sufficient "critical mass" of references, set up your own firm.

Training is also a seasonal activity and has its peaks and troughs so you need to have good financial reserves and alternate pursuits to deal with "down time".

Kiron
Thanks Kiron,
I'm very known in Italian environment, as I was TenStep Partner (so part of a Global REP) for more than 15 years and I teach PMP courses by 2005.
If PMI will accept contact hours from teachers not-ATP, it will be my chance tocontinue to train for PMP exams.
If I'm allowed, why I need spent so much money to be a credited Instructor under an ATP organization?
This is the problem of the majority of freelances or alone teachers.
Feb 27, 2020 6:54 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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In one of the discussion threads on LinkedIn, John Char mentioned that with this new program and although PMI strongly encourages going through ATP's, yet PDU’s and Hours will still be accepted after July 2020 from non-authorized training providers.

If this is the case, then how does this help REP’s and give them advantage ? With those additional expenses, I believe that many will opt to go another route and take courses elsewhere from non-PMI- REP’s.
@Rami,
After reading PMI REP docs, I disagree that "PDU’s and Hours will still be accepted after July 2020 from non-authorized training providers". Where does it say so?
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2 replies by Kiron Bondale and Rami Kaibni
Mar 02, 2020 12:30 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Andrew

Please refer to my very first comment above where I mentioned that John Char (REP Program Developer) mentioned this on one of the threads on LinkedIn, specifically Oliver Lehmann's post.

I didn't see it mentioned in the manual either but that's what PMI themselves are saying, not me.

Hope this clarifies.

RK
Mar 02, 2020 2:22 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Correct - this is specifically mentioned in the FAQ for the new ATP. Contact hours and PDUs can be provided by non-ATP companies but PMI reserves the right to audit or challenge those which they won't do for hours earned from ATP-provided courses.

Kiron
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