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Morning physical exercise, online work, teams and projects
What is your opinion regarding the initiative of companies to hire a personal trainer whose mission is to demonstrate physical exercises to be performed by people who work online

These activities are carried out at the beginning of each working day

Nothing like: "Healthy mind in healthy body"

What will be the impact of these types of initiatives on projects?
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Mar 19, 2020 8:42 AM
Replying to Wade Harshman
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Opposed.
The last thing I want at a civilian job is someone leading morning PT.
:)
Dear Peter
Thank you for sharing your questions with us

Did anyone mention mandatory physical exercise?

But, it occurs to me to ask:
In your opinion, is there a parallel between organizing physical exercise and religious freedom, political freedom (which derive from freedom of thought)?

But ... I was curious to know what you think about:
- Work schedule
- Definition of quantity and quality of work to be performed
1) it doesn't have to be mandatory in the beginning, leadership influence and peer pressure will do it
2) Yes, it is a bit of a stretch from physical to thought manipulation but when someone in power believes something is good for the masses/community, and/or for business, it can happen. Our freedoms were fought for and it is a challenge to keep them.
3) as a professional my work schedule is based on performance - delivery of product within the constraints (cost, time, quality). Corporate fitness programs encroaches on my personal time.
4) as a tradesman or blue collar worker I am paid for my time to deliver specific tasks - dig ditches, lay brick, generate drawings, count money, etc. If you want me to ride a bike or do yoga put it in my job description so I can consider it when I hire on. If my employer pays for the health club as a benefit I will chose whether to use it or not and when.
If physical fitness is specified as a job requirement then its my responsibility to meet the requirements and I will do so in my own time.
I am solely responsible to deliver the quality and quantity of work defined by the job. If I can't reach the bar, then I'm the wrong person for the job as defined. Options:1) redefine the job' 2) change jobs.
In answer to your next question: Yes - I am concerned about those in power deciding what's good for others, even when they may be right. We very quickly get into a nanny state where the few tell the many what is good for them and what they are to do. Let me make my mistakes, take my risks, spin my wheels and suffer the consequences.Interference is only valid when my actions hurt others. However, first try to convince me to change before you mandate.

Bottom line - no to company sponsored physical exercise programs and any other program not directly related to my job requirements.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Mar 20, 2020 6:10 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Peter
Thank you for sharing this message with us

We are in agreement when you write: "Our freedoms were fought for and it is a challenge to keep them."

In this topic, people's freedom of choice has never been at stake

It was just a suggestion

I fully understand your concerns when you write: "We very quickly get into a nanny state where the few tell the many what is good for them and what they are to do"

As a matter of curiosity: are you paid for the time you takes to perform specific tasks or for the performance in carrying them out?
Mar 19, 2020 12:42 PM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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1) it doesn't have to be mandatory in the beginning, leadership influence and peer pressure will do it
2) Yes, it is a bit of a stretch from physical to thought manipulation but when someone in power believes something is good for the masses/community, and/or for business, it can happen. Our freedoms were fought for and it is a challenge to keep them.
3) as a professional my work schedule is based on performance - delivery of product within the constraints (cost, time, quality). Corporate fitness programs encroaches on my personal time.
4) as a tradesman or blue collar worker I am paid for my time to deliver specific tasks - dig ditches, lay brick, generate drawings, count money, etc. If you want me to ride a bike or do yoga put it in my job description so I can consider it when I hire on. If my employer pays for the health club as a benefit I will chose whether to use it or not and when.
If physical fitness is specified as a job requirement then its my responsibility to meet the requirements and I will do so in my own time.
I am solely responsible to deliver the quality and quantity of work defined by the job. If I can't reach the bar, then I'm the wrong person for the job as defined. Options:1) redefine the job' 2) change jobs.
In answer to your next question: Yes - I am concerned about those in power deciding what's good for others, even when they may be right. We very quickly get into a nanny state where the few tell the many what is good for them and what they are to do. Let me make my mistakes, take my risks, spin my wheels and suffer the consequences.Interference is only valid when my actions hurt others. However, first try to convince me to change before you mandate.

Bottom line - no to company sponsored physical exercise programs and any other program not directly related to my job requirements.
Dear Peter
Thank you for sharing this message with us

We are in agreement when you write: "Our freedoms were fought for and it is a challenge to keep them."

In this topic, people's freedom of choice has never been at stake

It was just a suggestion

I fully understand your concerns when you write: "We very quickly get into a nanny state where the few tell the many what is good for them and what they are to do"

As a matter of curiosity: are you paid for the time you takes to perform specific tasks or for the performance in carrying them out?
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1 reply by Peter Rapin
Mar 20, 2020 10:55 AM
Peter Rapin
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I acknowledge that the initial question did not propose mandatory participation or directly impact on peoples freedom. However, my argument is that voluntary participation can lead to something more serious especially if someone in power is convinced its good for business and/or good for society.
As to my compensation, I have experienced; 1) paid for time, 2) paid for task delivery, and 3) paid for value. My preferred arrangement is to mutually identify the task requirements, agree to a level of effort defined by money and time and deliver within the agreed constraints. That being said, most of my services are to government agencies thus everything gets recorded, and billed,in effort (hours) times a rate to suite their administrative requirements but reflect the agreed amounts.
Ideally it would be better to bill based on "value to the client". For example; if I develop and write a Project Charter what value does it add to the client's project? That is extremely hard to determine and the value may not be established until the project is delivered.
Mar 19, 2020 10:58 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Wade
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion

As you can imagine I can only accept and respect your position

I would like to understand.
What makes you say: "The last thing I want at a civilian job is someone leading morning PT."?
Luis, please read my reply light-heartedly. Of course I am no opposed to voluntary fitness programs. But I spent plenty of time being dragged out of my bunk for mandatory group exercise before dawn. I did my time.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Mar 20, 2020 11:19 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Wade
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us

Here in Portugal a state of emergency was declared (giving the government the possibility of civil requisition)
Mar 20, 2020 6:10 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Peter
Thank you for sharing this message with us

We are in agreement when you write: "Our freedoms were fought for and it is a challenge to keep them."

In this topic, people's freedom of choice has never been at stake

It was just a suggestion

I fully understand your concerns when you write: "We very quickly get into a nanny state where the few tell the many what is good for them and what they are to do"

As a matter of curiosity: are you paid for the time you takes to perform specific tasks or for the performance in carrying them out?
I acknowledge that the initial question did not propose mandatory participation or directly impact on peoples freedom. However, my argument is that voluntary participation can lead to something more serious especially if someone in power is convinced its good for business and/or good for society.
As to my compensation, I have experienced; 1) paid for time, 2) paid for task delivery, and 3) paid for value. My preferred arrangement is to mutually identify the task requirements, agree to a level of effort defined by money and time and deliver within the agreed constraints. That being said, most of my services are to government agencies thus everything gets recorded, and billed,in effort (hours) times a rate to suite their administrative requirements but reflect the agreed amounts.
Ideally it would be better to bill based on "value to the client". For example; if I develop and write a Project Charter what value does it add to the client's project? That is extremely hard to determine and the value may not be established until the project is delivered.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Mar 20, 2020 11:19 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Peter
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us

Here in Portugal a state of emergency was declared (giving the government the possibility of civil requisition)
Mar 20, 2020 8:38 AM
Replying to Wade Harshman
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Luis, please read my reply light-heartedly. Of course I am no opposed to voluntary fitness programs. But I spent plenty of time being dragged out of my bunk for mandatory group exercise before dawn. I did my time.
Dear Wade
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us

Here in Portugal a state of emergency was declared (giving the government the possibility of civil requisition)
Mar 20, 2020 10:55 AM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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I acknowledge that the initial question did not propose mandatory participation or directly impact on peoples freedom. However, my argument is that voluntary participation can lead to something more serious especially if someone in power is convinced its good for business and/or good for society.
As to my compensation, I have experienced; 1) paid for time, 2) paid for task delivery, and 3) paid for value. My preferred arrangement is to mutually identify the task requirements, agree to a level of effort defined by money and time and deliver within the agreed constraints. That being said, most of my services are to government agencies thus everything gets recorded, and billed,in effort (hours) times a rate to suite their administrative requirements but reflect the agreed amounts.
Ideally it would be better to bill based on "value to the client". For example; if I develop and write a Project Charter what value does it add to the client's project? That is extremely hard to determine and the value may not be established until the project is delivered.
Dear Peter
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us

Here in Portugal a state of emergency was declared (giving the government the possibility of civil requisition)
Many governments will take on additional and sometimes intrusive powers during a state of emergency. This is understandable as decisions and their implementation have to be relatively quick to have the desired effect. Most of us can accept that as the decisions are being made by our elected representatives and thus reflect our values. The decisions can be hard on individuals and society as a whole however the circumstances dictate these actions. As an individual I may not agree with all the decisions however accept and support the concept. All we can do is comply to the best of our ability knowing that at some point things will get better and our freedoms returned.
There is an underlying concern that 1) things will not get better, and 2) the government may enjoy the new power and will be reluctant to give it up - a risk that we have to take.
Although there is hope in view of the latest reports from China that the "curve" has leveled out and may be on the way down, there's a probability of greater pain on the way for most of us. In North America our borders have been closed to all but essential travel and parts of the USA has gone into total isolation (California as a start). Hopefully the internet will remain in operation so we can continue with our work were possible and keep communicating.

I'm guessing there will be more traffic on this board as people have limited outlet for their communication needs and more time on their hands..
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Mar 20, 2020 2:44 PM
Luis Branco
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Dear Peter
As you know, as well or better than me, China has a different regime from the west

Will western regimes achieve the same results as those achieved in China? (let's assume that the information shared is true)
In Italy this is not what is happening

Will this covid-19 issue be resolved, everything will return to normal?

I would like very much that ProjectManagement.com, as a result of all people being closed at home, to have a greater participation of its members
Mar 20, 2020 1:06 PM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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Many governments will take on additional and sometimes intrusive powers during a state of emergency. This is understandable as decisions and their implementation have to be relatively quick to have the desired effect. Most of us can accept that as the decisions are being made by our elected representatives and thus reflect our values. The decisions can be hard on individuals and society as a whole however the circumstances dictate these actions. As an individual I may not agree with all the decisions however accept and support the concept. All we can do is comply to the best of our ability knowing that at some point things will get better and our freedoms returned.
There is an underlying concern that 1) things will not get better, and 2) the government may enjoy the new power and will be reluctant to give it up - a risk that we have to take.
Although there is hope in view of the latest reports from China that the "curve" has leveled out and may be on the way down, there's a probability of greater pain on the way for most of us. In North America our borders have been closed to all but essential travel and parts of the USA has gone into total isolation (California as a start). Hopefully the internet will remain in operation so we can continue with our work were possible and keep communicating.

I'm guessing there will be more traffic on this board as people have limited outlet for their communication needs and more time on their hands..
Dear Peter
As you know, as well or better than me, China has a different regime from the west

Will western regimes achieve the same results as those achieved in China? (let's assume that the information shared is true)
In Italy this is not what is happening

Will this covid-19 issue be resolved, everything will return to normal?

I would like very much that ProjectManagement.com, as a result of all people being closed at home, to have a greater participation of its members
It is true that China may not be as transparent as they should be. It is also true that autocratic regimes do not need a reason to apply emergency measures and maybe they have less reason to be open as to the success of their actions. With severe limitations on international travel its easier to control and manage the flow of information.
I agree that an autocratic state can react quicker than a democratic state that is why democratic states take on some authoritarian powers (emergency measures) at the first sign of a crises. However, I believe that authoritarian states take the measures for the wrong reasons and extend these measures further than necessary. This normally results in unsustainable recoveries. May solve the immediate crises but results in long term negative impacts.
Under a democratic state the process is more complex which results in a rocky start however solutions that count on individual people for effectiveness (isolation, social separation) are much more successful - you have to get people on side!
Its very difficult, if possible, to do direct comparisons between nations as there are too many factors, population density and age, weather, cultural differences, politics, mobility, health system, etc.

As it is there are too many people making uninformed judgments.
Will things return to normal once this crisis is over and our fear subsides- I'm afraid so.
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