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DISCIPLINE AGILE: Why?
I really do not understand why I need to pay an extra fee to PMI anual fee for being part of Discipline Agile Community.
By the way, I use DA from the very begining it was created then I take the practical experience on see it works, at least in my case.
https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/
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Hi Sergio,
Thanks for the link, I was not aware that there is a separate site for DA, and separate community. It looks like membership is only for certified in DA...
I agree with you, it is strange that PMI is introducing new communities with additional membership fee.
It would be good idea also to be able to see and, or access this site from PMI home page. May be it is possible, but I have not see it.
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2 replies by Scott Ambler and Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 30, 2020 5:14 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Hi Milena
If you see, there is a possibility to be member without certification.
My concern is: DA "is PMI" then it is not reasonable to pay an extra fee for that.
I know this will sound rude but it could be a demostration when an organization trying to make business is destroying the business.
May 12, 2020 8:48 AM
Scott Ambler
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Milena, the Disciplined Agile community has existed for around 6 years and was purchased in August 2019 by PMI. So we're not creating a new community, we're in the process of merging it into our existing community. This unfortunately takes time.
Apr 30, 2020 5:00 PM
Replying to Milena Ilieva
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Hi Sergio,
Thanks for the link, I was not aware that there is a separate site for DA, and separate community. It looks like membership is only for certified in DA...
I agree with you, it is strange that PMI is introducing new communities with additional membership fee.
It would be good idea also to be able to see and, or access this site from PMI home page. May be it is possible, but I have not see it.
Hi Milena
If you see, there is a possibility to be member without certification.
My concern is: DA "is PMI" then it is not reasonable to pay an extra fee for that.
I know this will sound rude but it could be a demostration when an organization trying to make business is destroying the business.
Hi Sergio
I agree with you, I already mentioned here that fact. But it's not all separate some benefits are common , like the access to the resources of this social network.

I heard rumors that PMI is preparing to create levels of expertise, I can not confirm , but the source is reliable .
Entry level
Associate level
Professional level
Executive level
at each level it will be associated several certifications, so I think that this is a Economical strategy based on profit , to influence the members to apply to the certifications that are part of each level.

I cannot guarantee that this will happen , but all is pointing for total integration between DA, PMI and Brightline, the future will tell.

Alexandre
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 30, 2020 5:20 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Hi Alexandre
all you stated is ready. "Entrey Level" is called Disciplined Agilist and you do not need to have a certification to adhere. My concern is why we have to pay an extra fee than the anual PMI fee for being there.
Apr 30, 2020 5:17 PM
Replying to Alexandre Costa
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Hi Sergio
I agree with you, I already mentioned here that fact. But it's not all separate some benefits are common , like the access to the resources of this social network.

I heard rumors that PMI is preparing to create levels of expertise, I can not confirm , but the source is reliable .
Entry level
Associate level
Professional level
Executive level
at each level it will be associated several certifications, so I think that this is a Economical strategy based on profit , to influence the members to apply to the certifications that are part of each level.

I cannot guarantee that this will happen , but all is pointing for total integration between DA, PMI and Brightline, the future will tell.

Alexandre
Hi Alexandre
all you stated is ready. "Entrey Level" is called Disciplined Agilist and you do not need to have a certification to adhere. My concern is why we have to pay an extra fee than the anual PMI fee for being there.
Sergio -

This is the model which was in place pre-PMI acquisition. Like all company acquisitions, integration activities take a while to complete, so I'd expect that harmonization of membership benefits, dues and so on will take some time.

Let's see if Scott or Mark provide the "official" response on this...
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2 replies by Scott Ambler and Sergio Luis Conte
May 01, 2020 6:23 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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This is a great case of study about how to have a marketing machine behind help valuable things to be consider like the new truth revealed.
May 01, 2020 7:23 PM
Scott Ambler
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Yes, what Kiron said is true. We are waiting to combine the DA membership into the PMI membership. This has unfortunately taken a lot longer than we hoped as we have a dependency on the release of a new membership system. When the two memberships are merged we will be providing access to the DA materials to all PMI members.

For now, there is a fair bit of DA material at PMI.org/disciplined-agile and in several hundred blog postings on ProjectManagement.com
Interesting. Was not aware. If under the same umbrella, opportunity for consolidation or recognition of this phenomenom.

Let's see what other information we can learn.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
May 01, 2020 6:21 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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@Andrew, all is here https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/
when you click on "Take out a membership".
Gents

It will be interesting to see how things in this aquisition will shape up.

I heard if you are a paid DA Member, you can renew you certificates annually for free. If this is true, then if they waive the membership fees since they are now part of PMI, they might impose certificates renewal fees. Just thinking loudly.

RK
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2 replies by Kiron Bondale and Sergio Luis Conte
May 01, 2020 6:17 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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@Rami, what you heard is not right. You can check here: https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/certify-me#overview
In fact, as you can see, certification retention force not only an anual payment, professional development too, in some cases specific for DA. But, I have no concern with certification schemas. My concern is about to be a member has a fee, if I understood well.
May 01, 2020 8:51 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Rami -

You are correct that the $50 U.S. costs of renewing your DA certification are covered by renewing your membership. You would also need to have gained the necessary hours of professional development, most of which needs to be DA-focused to renew.

Kiron
May 01, 2020 2:50 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Gents

It will be interesting to see how things in this aquisition will shape up.

I heard if you are a paid DA Member, you can renew you certificates annually for free. If this is true, then if they waive the membership fees since they are now part of PMI, they might impose certificates renewal fees. Just thinking loudly.

RK
@Rami, what you heard is not right. You can check here: https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/certify-me#overview
In fact, as you can see, certification retention force not only an anual payment, professional development too, in some cases specific for DA. But, I have no concern with certification schemas. My concern is about to be a member has a fee, if I understood well.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
May 01, 2020 1:48 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Sergio

The website is not very clear about so many things even the certification process is confusing and in some cases you will find the actual process a bit different.

For re-certification, yes, you need DA specific PDU’s but for the fees, I believe if you are a member, you don’t pay certification renewal fees.

RK
Apr 30, 2020 8:19 PM
Replying to Andrew Craig
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Interesting. Was not aware. If under the same umbrella, opportunity for consolidation or recognition of this phenomenom.

Let's see what other information we can learn.
@Andrew, all is here https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/
when you click on "Take out a membership".
Apr 30, 2020 6:00 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Sergio -

This is the model which was in place pre-PMI acquisition. Like all company acquisitions, integration activities take a while to complete, so I'd expect that harmonization of membership benefits, dues and so on will take some time.

Let's see if Scott or Mark provide the "official" response on this...
This is a great case of study about how to have a marketing machine behind help valuable things to be consider like the new truth revealed.
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