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Is there a need to change the PMI Code of Ethics & Professional Conduct? Is it outdated and missing any elements?
The current Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct was approved by the PMI Board of Directors in October 2006.

Since then the world has changed and with the Covid-19 event even more in an accelerated manner.

Are there any aspects missing in the current code and does it need to be modified to suit the current environment as well as future requirements?
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PMI Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct is just to fullfil the requirement which is needed for a credential certification to be recognized for international organizations. No more than that.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Jun 07, 2020 7:05 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Sergio -

I'd have to say it goes beyond being just satisfying a certification requirement. PMI has stripped some practitioners of their active PMP and PMI membership status for ethics violations so it does have "teeth".

Kiron
Jun 07, 2020 5:04 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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PMI Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct is just to fullfil the requirement which is needed for a credential certification to be recognized for international organizations. No more than that.
Sergio -

I'd have to say it goes beyond being just satisfying a certification requirement. PMI has stripped some practitioners of their active PMP and PMI membership status for ethics violations so it does have "teeth".

Kiron
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2 replies by Tejas Sura
Jun 12, 2020 3:44 AM
Tejas Sura
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Thank you Kiron.
Jun 12, 2020 3:44 AM
Tejas Sura
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I was of the opinion to include sustainability as an aspirational standard.
At the very least the issue of working with a virtual team should be addressed. I think the ethical challenges may be different.
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1 reply by Tejas Sura
Jun 12, 2020 3:39 AM
Tejas Sura
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Thank you. That's a good feedback.
Jun 07, 2020 8:00 PM
Replying to Ed Tsyitee Jr
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At the very least the issue of working with a virtual team should be addressed. I think the ethical challenges may be different.
Thank you. That's a good feedback.
Jun 07, 2020 7:05 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Sergio -

I'd have to say it goes beyond being just satisfying a certification requirement. PMI has stripped some practitioners of their active PMP and PMI membership status for ethics violations so it does have "teeth".

Kiron
Thank you Kiron.
Jun 07, 2020 7:05 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Sergio -

I'd have to say it goes beyond being just satisfying a certification requirement. PMI has stripped some practitioners of their active PMP and PMI membership status for ethics violations so it does have "teeth".

Kiron
I was of the opinion to include sustainability as an aspirational standard.
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2 replies by Sergio Luis Conte and Thomas Walenta
Jun 12, 2020 7:58 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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If we want that people consider project/program/portfolio management in the PMI way as a real profession it must be actionable. It does mean it must be the same than real professions like medicine, law or engineering. When I use "real profession" is because the framework inside those professions are operating. Those are international laws.
Jun 12, 2020 2:59 PM
Thomas Walenta
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Tejas,

interesting idea.
From which value would you deduct sustainability then, or add another value?

I note you think it should not be mandatory, so not enforceable. Which I think is wise since not all projects and not all behaviors are and can be sustainable.
Jun 12, 2020 3:44 AM
Replying to Tejas Sura
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I was of the opinion to include sustainability as an aspirational standard.
If we want that people consider project/program/portfolio management in the PMI way as a real profession it must be actionable. It does mean it must be the same than real professions like medicine, law or engineering. When I use "real profession" is because the framework inside those professions are operating. Those are international laws.
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1 reply by Thomas Walenta
Jun 12, 2020 3:07 PM
Thomas Walenta
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Sergio,

for our readers I repeat what I commented in another thread:

- Ethics codes are not laws
- Ethic codes can be enforced by the organizations issuing them, thru their own bodies, not courts
- If laws support ethics, they are national
- PMI enforces their code of ethics thru the ERC and continually is sanctioning violations, mostly not publicly
Jun 12, 2020 3:44 AM
Replying to Tejas Sura
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I was of the opinion to include sustainability as an aspirational standard.
Tejas,

interesting idea.
From which value would you deduct sustainability then, or add another value?

I note you think it should not be mandatory, so not enforceable. Which I think is wise since not all projects and not all behaviors are and can be sustainable.
Jun 12, 2020 7:58 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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If we want that people consider project/program/portfolio management in the PMI way as a real profession it must be actionable. It does mean it must be the same than real professions like medicine, law or engineering. When I use "real profession" is because the framework inside those professions are operating. Those are international laws.
Sergio,

for our readers I repeat what I commented in another thread:

- Ethics codes are not laws
- Ethic codes can be enforced by the organizations issuing them, thru their own bodies, not courts
- If laws support ethics, they are national
- PMI enforces their code of ethics thru the ERC and continually is sanctioning violations, mostly not publicly
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Jun 12, 2020 3:40 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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I do not say ehics codes are a laws. I am saying that ethics codes must be actionable by laws. If not, they are waste or just a requirement to be fullfil to get some type of cetifications be recognized by international audit requirements. Is it because Sergio Conte said that? Not. It is because it is a framework recognized by international laws. So, if we will not discuss this in the professional framework then it has no sense. PMI code of ethics is just because the need to fullfil a requirement because the need to their certifications being recognized. No more than that. All other things are mere hypocrisy. If not, why the PMI do not said nothing about PMs who are PMP certified and work into projects that are creating massive destuction weapons and things like that? If we want to contribute to make project management a profession then we need to stop with the hypocrisy. Show me a sanction from the PMI that stop a person who owns the PMP certification to perform the project manager role. By the way, please, I do not say you or other I do not know are hypocrite. In the case of PMI I think it seems to behave with hypocrasy because the intention to keep the business running. At the end, the debate must be in the framework to evaluate if something is a profession or not and all you need to understand to evaluate that is there. But if the people like to keep the debate inside the personal perception not the professional framework not problem with that,
Jun 12, 2020 3:07 PM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Sergio,

for our readers I repeat what I commented in another thread:

- Ethics codes are not laws
- Ethic codes can be enforced by the organizations issuing them, thru their own bodies, not courts
- If laws support ethics, they are national
- PMI enforces their code of ethics thru the ERC and continually is sanctioning violations, mostly not publicly
I do not say ehics codes are a laws. I am saying that ethics codes must be actionable by laws. If not, they are waste or just a requirement to be fullfil to get some type of cetifications be recognized by international audit requirements. Is it because Sergio Conte said that? Not. It is because it is a framework recognized by international laws. So, if we will not discuss this in the professional framework then it has no sense. PMI code of ethics is just because the need to fullfil a requirement because the need to their certifications being recognized. No more than that. All other things are mere hypocrisy. If not, why the PMI do not said nothing about PMs who are PMP certified and work into projects that are creating massive destuction weapons and things like that? If we want to contribute to make project management a profession then we need to stop with the hypocrisy. Show me a sanction from the PMI that stop a person who owns the PMP certification to perform the project manager role. By the way, please, I do not say you or other I do not know are hypocrite. In the case of PMI I think it seems to behave with hypocrasy because the intention to keep the business running. At the end, the debate must be in the framework to evaluate if something is a profession or not and all you need to understand to evaluate that is there. But if the people like to keep the debate inside the personal perception not the professional framework not problem with that,
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1 reply by Thomas Walenta
Jun 12, 2020 4:28 PM
Thomas Walenta
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Hi Sergio

the latest public sanction for a PM is here
https://www.pmi.org/about/ethics/public-reprimand

While PMI cannot stop anyone to continue to offer their services, this amounts to a hurdle to be able to do that.

It is may be a language issue, but there are no international laws dealing with ethics, or name one.

Ethical sanctions are issued not by jurisdiction of nation states but by professional bodies (that’s what I meant by ethic codes are no laws).

Only these can have an international impact, but most professions do it an a national base, if they have a national registry. Those ‚real‘ professions are nationalied.
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