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Ethics and Professional Responsibility -- MIA?
I've studied the new PMI talent triangle quite a bit over the past few days. It applies to all of us that wish to maintain our PMI certifications.

The major categories are of course 1) Leadership 2) Strategic and business management and 3) Technical Project Management. Below that, there are listed 31 detailed aspects of each leg of the triangle.

What strikes me as odd is that there is *no mention* of ethics or professional responsibility anywhere. We don't seem to be required to think about this, stay current on it, or earn any PDUs on the topic. Yet, it seems that now more than ever this may be more important topic.

There are new and modern security issues, identity protection concerns, personal data privacy, encryption, decryption and more.

So, I'd like to discuss why there are NO Ethics or Professional Responsibility requirements to maintain our certifications, in - as PMI so accurately states: "today's increasingly complex and competitive global marketplace"

reference: http://www.pmi.org/learning/talent-management-resources.aspx
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Hi Dave,

You have a point in what you've mentioned but IMHO. Ethics or Professional / Social responsibility is an intergrated part of the system and we are supposed to stay up to date and following these rules by default which more or less are the same rules all the time, what would change about the ethics rules ? Or social responsibility rules ? It could happen but change is very minimal compared to the other areas.

On the other hand, PMI mentions that any breach for the code of ethics and conduct, there will be disciplinary action and certification might my provoked from that person which throws this responsibility on our shoulders to stay up to date and always make sure we are within the code of ethics and conduct.
Hi Rami,

PMI didn't place the emphasis on what areas might change, it's stated as the "IDEAL SKILL SET." http://www.pmi.org/~/media/PDF/Certificati...gle-flyer.ashx.

Many of the parts of the triangle don't change much -- Earned value, finance, brainstorming ... Yet they are deemed important to credential maintenance.

And, I could make a case that ethics are becoming more and more involved and evolving. I deal quite often with hospitals. Data privacy, encryption, hacking, hacking-responses -- that all falls under ethics to me. It's a new world of data privacy out there and it fell off the triangle. Quite surprising to me that our certifications don't even emphasize a refresher PDU or two, much less stay current with the changes.

Again, I think it fell off the conference table when the triangle was being made.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 31, 2016 2:46 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Hi Dave, I hear what you are saying. Well, the best thing is to write a justification for this thought which you believe is valid and send it to PMI - They always welcome suggestions from professionals and they might adopt it or at least explain the reason behind not including it within the triangle.

As for the 1 or 2 Refresher PDU's, I am not sure if I fully got what you've meant but YES I totally agree with this, at least a small article with the changes and a small test like the NOD's here on this website. This will ensure everyone is aware of the changes - Great Idea Dave.
Jan 31, 2016 2:38 PM
Replying to David Maynard
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Hi Rami,

PMI didn't place the emphasis on what areas might change, it's stated as the "IDEAL SKILL SET." http://www.pmi.org/~/media/PDF/Certificati...gle-flyer.ashx.

Many of the parts of the triangle don't change much -- Earned value, finance, brainstorming ... Yet they are deemed important to credential maintenance.

And, I could make a case that ethics are becoming more and more involved and evolving. I deal quite often with hospitals. Data privacy, encryption, hacking, hacking-responses -- that all falls under ethics to me. It's a new world of data privacy out there and it fell off the triangle. Quite surprising to me that our certifications don't even emphasize a refresher PDU or two, much less stay current with the changes.

Again, I think it fell off the conference table when the triangle was being made.
Hi Dave, I hear what you are saying. Well, the best thing is to write a justification for this thought which you believe is valid and send it to PMI - They always welcome suggestions from professionals and they might adopt it or at least explain the reason behind not including it within the triangle.

As for the 1 or 2 Refresher PDU's, I am not sure if I fully got what you've meant but YES I totally agree with this, at least a small article with the changes and a small test like the NOD's here on this website. This will ensure everyone is aware of the changes - Great Idea Dave.
Hi Dave: Ethics, moral or honesty, they are supposed to be integral part of Project management as well as a good human being. eg. I don't write in my CV honesty as a quality because I am supposed to be honest and understand the meaning of it.

PMI recognizes PMI talent triangle as the most important concept for project manager which he should learn and improve continuously.

Regarding the new challenges in ethical studies, I agree with you for its importance. However we always learn them when we do projects at new places/sectors. eg. One should know the local laws when he works Saudi Arabia/USA or learn the data privacy/cyber things if he does such projects.

Regarding PDUs, I believe any PDUs you earn in Ethics webinar or training can be added in general education. You need to earn only minimum 8 PDUs in each talent triangle and rest you can earn in many different ways.
Hi Pankaj,

Along your lines... I learned Earned Value when I was in my 20's. It hasn't changed or progressed, it's just there. Yet, it's in the triangle. Its an integral part of being a PM in a environment that requires it. Yet, EVA is on the triangle, ethics and professional responsibility are not.

I've dealt a lot with companies in other countries and you couldn't be more correct with regard to learning customs, laws, ethics, privacy.... it's CRITICAL to getting the project done. I wouldn't hesitate to classify this as as a "talent" in the ideal skill set of a PM.

Unfortunately, I've known managers who didn't have this talent, it was missing from them with disastrous effect. As it's missing from the current talent triangle too. It worries me.
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1 reply by PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHI
Jan 31, 2016 4:04 PM
PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHI
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Hi Dave: There are many PMs who need Ethics training and it should be part of education. I am equally concerned over this aspect.

PMI understand the importance of concept but talent triangle follows only 3 main aspects. Even they didn't mentions knowledge areas of PMBOK as a talent because in technical education you may learn topics related to knowledge areas, customs, laws and project management experience in different fields.

Personally I believe, Ethics is not a talent, it is integral part of human being.

If one doesn't has proper information of any aspect like organisation procedure, laws or customs, he should learn it and it can be included in PDUs also as general education. In our organisation we have a strict guidelines for ethical practices and they give online training to all Project manager on this.
Jan 31, 2016 3:50 PM
Replying to David Maynard
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Hi Pankaj,

Along your lines... I learned Earned Value when I was in my 20's. It hasn't changed or progressed, it's just there. Yet, it's in the triangle. Its an integral part of being a PM in a environment that requires it. Yet, EVA is on the triangle, ethics and professional responsibility are not.

I've dealt a lot with companies in other countries and you couldn't be more correct with regard to learning customs, laws, ethics, privacy.... it's CRITICAL to getting the project done. I wouldn't hesitate to classify this as as a "talent" in the ideal skill set of a PM.

Unfortunately, I've known managers who didn't have this talent, it was missing from them with disastrous effect. As it's missing from the current talent triangle too. It worries me.
Hi Dave: There are many PMs who need Ethics training and it should be part of education. I am equally concerned over this aspect.

PMI understand the importance of concept but talent triangle follows only 3 main aspects. Even they didn't mentions knowledge areas of PMBOK as a talent because in technical education you may learn topics related to knowledge areas, customs, laws and project management experience in different fields.

Personally I believe, Ethics is not a talent, it is integral part of human being.

If one doesn't has proper information of any aspect like organisation procedure, laws or customs, he should learn it and it can be included in PDUs also as general education. In our organisation we have a strict guidelines for ethical practices and they give online training to all Project manager on this.
@Dave: that is because it is not a profession so there is not a formal responsability on project management activities. That´s not implies that each person who acts as project management could perfom the activity as a professional. Lot of people, outside the PMI, when I talk about that get mad with me. After I said them to search what is needed to consider some discipline as a profession then their attitud change. So, what you have inside the PMI, is a non well written code of ethic (not well written because it has lot of ambiguity) what is acceptable in this type of disciplines.
@Sergio,

It sure feels like a profession to me. I've done it for a long time. Please don't tell the people that sign my paycheck it isn't a profession!

If the code of ethics is not well written / full of ambiguity, then it would seem that adding it as a PMI-defined critical skill and opening it up for discussion, presentation, webinars and the like would help to define our code more clearly.

This is sort of a self-fulfilling effort. By adding it as a critical skill to the triangle, it gets better defined, by being better defined, there would be more material available about it to learn and study.
Sorry Dave but it is not a profession. And that is because there is not possibility to take any action regarding professional responsability or any type of thing. That not implies that all people who are working as program/project manager perform the role as professionals. It is not a matter of feeling it is a matter about what it is. If you start a discussion about etics you will return centuries ago. That is because most of the companies have its own code of ethic and when you read the company code there is no possibility to not understand what is and what is not ethic for that company. That is not the case in the PMI code. Put it inside the triangle has no sence (in my opinion).
Dave - I was originally going to respond "Ethics? Companies don't care about ethics and they drive what's important to the success of the project manager." But now that I think about it, I very much like what you're saying. Since "ethics" is a little malleable based on culture and common practice, it would probably be difficult to devise a standard that isn't really generic, but "tell the truth" seems to be a good start. We really don't inculcate that in pm training as much as we should. You have given me food for further thought. Thanks.
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