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Certification Vs Experience
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Certify and then get a Job to earn experiience or acquire expirience and then obrain a certification?

After I saw someone post an answer to another question, I decided to post this tricky question...
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IMO second one is the best and i think it depends on certification to certification for example for Certified Scrum Master(CSM) you don't need any experience,just attend 2 days training and then get certified but in case of PMP you need to have experience and solid understanding of the concepts then only you can go and attain the certification.
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4 replies by George Lewis, John Tieso, Nadeem Ghafoor, and Trinanjan Bhattacharyya
Mar 31, 2016 9:24 PM
George Lewis
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Thanks for your reply Duvvuri...
Jun 28, 2016 2:12 PM
Nadeem Ghafoor
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I believe, we should get experience first to get certification because if a person do the certification first and later on, urge to get experience will get less chances to earn management experience or even he might not as succeed as he can be.
Sep 16, 2016 12:24 AM
Trinanjan Bhattacharyya
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I guess it depends on what field/role we're working on.. I've been working as a SAP consultant for years now and we've been gathering experience first in projects before certification as SAP doesn't offer certification on all the modules. However, Project Management is a specialists job and I guess certification is necessary, as this will provide all the necessary knowledge on Project management and being certified in PM will be a huge confidence booster to an aspiring project manager.
Apr 06, 2017 11:20 AM
John Tieso
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There are two ways to look at this question, in my view

1- Work on projects invariably helps when taking more formal courses to pursue certifications. A person with even limited experience gains from understanding real world tasks and requirements as they often occur in real time, and can then be mapped to the classwork before certification testing.

The danger of course, is in gaining too much knowledge and experience, you might be gaining the wrong kind of information, and will have to use the classroom work to 'unlearn' some bad habits, or risk having your own internal arguments on which view is better, risking failing the certification exams.

2- Taking the classwork, and completing the examination, if possible, process enables you to learn 'standard' practice' (Which, by the way is not always synonymous with 'best practice'), and clears your head for both the exam and initial projects without the many bad habits which can easily creep in.

If you do elect to travel this path, I suggest you find in your organization a mentor with experience--one who can discuss what you are learning, explain many of its fine points, and guide you toward successful certification.

Just a few thoughts here.
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George

The foundation certifications from PMI, IPMA, and others are designed to help people gain knowledge, demonstrate that knowledge via a certificate. They can do these certifications while in college or upon graduation, as you know. Therefore, if someone (graduating person or recent graduate) wants a career in PM, it would be good for them to get IPMA-D, CAPM, PRINCE2 Foundation, or similar certificates.

After gaining some experience, they can pursue the higher level or specialized certificates.

However, as you know, and as it has been discussed numerous times on online forums, proven experience, and other factors are a must for success.
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4 replies by Alo Odefa Obasi, George Lewis, John Briesemeister, and Urvashi Sharma
Mar 31, 2016 9:25 PM
George Lewis
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Mounir - Always great replies from you! Thanks
Jun 01, 2016 3:48 AM
Urvashi Sharma
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Agree, Foundation Level certifications are to gain knowledge. So they can be done before any experience. But expert Level certifications needs Experience.
Jun 02, 2016 8:41 AM
John Briesemeister
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I took a much different route than most people and I am glad that I did. I was originally introduced to Project Management in 1984 by the company that I worked for and it was so that as a Senior Engineer I could manage projects in power plants. I worked for a number of years as either a Senior Engineer or a Project Manager in the power industry after 2004 and in 2007 decided to get my PMP. I was audited by PMI with regards to my experience as a project manager before they would permit me to take the PMP Examination, which I completed after taking a 4 day Training Seminar. Since 2007, I have completed a four year Master's Program in Project Management from the University of Wisconsin-Platteville, which is located in the USA. I would say from my experience that working as a Project Manager without a license or training is relying on "lessons learned" from a past project to plan for the next one. However, it does not help you access and develop great tools for managing projects such as EVM, Program Management, etc. I do believe that PMI should audit more people that want to take the PMP examination since the experience that I had did help me during the Training Seminar and the PMP license should signify a culmination of that experience.
Aug 19, 2016 12:46 PM
Alo Odefa Obasi
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I totally agree with you on that, I would say get some basic certfication first (like CAPM or PRINCE 2) then some work experience and afterwards go for higher Certifications like PMP etc
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I'm an example of the experience first path and am happy with how my career has played out, but I often recommend the other path to aspiring PMs, and agree with Mournir. I think a new PM will have an easier first break into the field with some formal education to give them an advantage over other junior candidates.
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4 replies by Blair Hawkins, George Lewis, John Rice, and Wilfredo Golez
Mar 31, 2016 9:43 PM
George Lewis
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Great insight Michelle! tks
Jun 01, 2016 7:00 PM
Wilfredo Golez
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I'm in that path learning formal education in PM with Master's Certificate and Master's Degree in PM. However, my challenge right now is that when I tried to apply for a PM job, I am always asked if I do have a PM working experience. It seems that it is a struggle to get employ without experience in a PM position if a candidate applies for it.
May 08, 2017 10:19 PM
John Rice
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Michelle
I too took the same path. What I am experiencing is employers do not want to invest in your learning curve
Jun 15, 2017 6:07 PM
Blair Hawkins
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Usually management prefers generic qualifications over specific accomplishment. Certificate + Experience = Highly qualified = Over-qualified = Not qualified. The best workers fail as employees but succeed as consultants (you are a business working for another business, contract employee or independent contractor).
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Mar 29, 2016 9:33 PM
Replying to Bala S Duvvuri
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IMO second one is the best and i think it depends on certification to certification for example for Certified Scrum Master(CSM) you don't need any experience,just attend 2 days training and then get certified but in case of PMP you need to have experience and solid understanding of the concepts then only you can go and attain the certification.
Thanks for your reply Duvvuri...
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Mounir - Always great replies from you! Thanks
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Mar 31, 2016 9:13 PM
Replying to Michelle Daigle
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I'm an example of the experience first path and am happy with how my career has played out, but I often recommend the other path to aspiring PMs, and agree with Mournir. I think a new PM will have an easier first break into the field with some formal education to give them an advantage over other junior candidates.
Great insight Michelle! tks
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Anyone else with comments on this interesting topic?
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2 replies by Bernardo Cordero and John Briesemeister
Jul 31, 2016 6:39 PM
John Briesemeister
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Experience is a requirement since PMI may audit a person's project management experience, which happened to me and many others, before they provide permission to take the the PMP examination.
Jan 06, 2018 7:38 PM
Bernardo Cordero
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It is very true! PMI requires hours of experience in PM for teh certification, then: Experience is required! BUT: PMP is the start to a new level in a real Project Management Profession (really professional work), before PMP certification the projects can fall and are in desorder!
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I'm also an example of the acquire experience first path because my goal was to get a PMP. It depends on the type of certification you want. Some require experience as part of the prerequisites and others don't. I agree with Mounir and Michelle. For a new PM, having a foundation certification would give them a good base to start and it helps to demonstrate knowledge.
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2 replies by Benjamin Sumi and George Lewis
Apr 03, 2016 2:05 AM
George Lewis
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tks for your response!
Jul 14, 2016 1:35 PM
Benjamin Sumi
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As an aspiring PM, what did you mean by "having a foundation certification"? My goal is to finish my college education and then find work as a PM to earn the experience and apply for my PMP. Are there other certifications that I do not need experience for and that might assist me in my venture?

Sincerely,

Ben
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Experience, certification and knowledge, all must be required. Certification must enhance your profile but if not able to implement successfully. Problem for you.
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1 reply by Wilfredo Golez
Jun 01, 2016 7:05 PM
Wilfredo Golez
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I agree with your first statement that experience, certification, knowledge or formal education are the recipes for success but not required though. It is good to have them. Some PMs don't have all of those but are successful. On the other hand, with all those listed above, individual is still struggling. The answer in general here is "it depends".
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Apr 01, 2016 2:39 AM
Replying to Ranmali Kirinde
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I'm also an example of the acquire experience first path because my goal was to get a PMP. It depends on the type of certification you want. Some require experience as part of the prerequisites and others don't. I agree with Mounir and Michelle. For a new PM, having a foundation certification would give them a good base to start and it helps to demonstrate knowledge.
tks for your response!
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