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Integration of Agile process with Waterfall process
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Dear colleagues.
I am looking for an integration model of an Agile process within a Waterfall process. One of my student / junior engineer is starting a study to develop a system on the basis of a predictive model but including a front end part to be developped using and Agile process (RAD).
As I have not yet been involved in such a mixed development process so I don't know if any model exist.

Thank you for your help.
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Please let me say that you are mixing things (is not about you is a general behaiviour in the market). When you think in this type of things please take into account the following. With basement on quality you will have life cycle models (there are two: adaptative and predictive), life cycle process based on those life cycle models (iterative, spiral, waterfall, sequential, etc), methods based on the life cycle models (SCRUM, DSDM, SDLC, V, etc) and at the top of the pyramid tools that will support the methods. So, Agile is in the basement of the pyramid inside approaches based on quality. Agile is not a process, Agile is not a method, Agile did not start with the manifesto. You can find that Agile was "formally" born inside the USA DoD NSF/Agility Forum (1990, I was part). So, you can apply Agile in waterfall life cycle models. How? For example, as you mentioned, using RAD to get requirements. Using MoSCoW to prioritiza needs before they are translated into requirements. Using a modificator as prototype before continue to the detailled design or the construction. And so on. BUT do not forget that everything you do inside your organization will impact the whole organization.
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1 reply by Philippe Schuler
Feb 08, 2017 1:32 PM
Philippe Schuler
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Sergio, thank you for your answer.
Actually the point is for my Junior PM to document a consistent approach to develop 2-Tier applications where the end-user Front-End part is to be developped using an "agile cultural approach" (it's better than "agile process") and the IT Back-End part is to be developped using a predictive approach like Waterfall.
I know the target Customer (a Bank) and they are not yet ready for a full Agility mindset.
I guess some hybrid developments already exist and I am looking for some documents/templates reflecting an actual experience.

So I would appreciate you could share a bit of your experience in this domain.

Regards,
Philippe
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Feb 06, 2017 4:10 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Please let me say that you are mixing things (is not about you is a general behaiviour in the market). When you think in this type of things please take into account the following. With basement on quality you will have life cycle models (there are two: adaptative and predictive), life cycle process based on those life cycle models (iterative, spiral, waterfall, sequential, etc), methods based on the life cycle models (SCRUM, DSDM, SDLC, V, etc) and at the top of the pyramid tools that will support the methods. So, Agile is in the basement of the pyramid inside approaches based on quality. Agile is not a process, Agile is not a method, Agile did not start with the manifesto. You can find that Agile was "formally" born inside the USA DoD NSF/Agility Forum (1990, I was part). So, you can apply Agile in waterfall life cycle models. How? For example, as you mentioned, using RAD to get requirements. Using MoSCoW to prioritiza needs before they are translated into requirements. Using a modificator as prototype before continue to the detailled design or the construction. And so on. BUT do not forget that everything you do inside your organization will impact the whole organization.
Sergio, thank you for your answer.
Actually the point is for my Junior PM to document a consistent approach to develop 2-Tier applications where the end-user Front-End part is to be developped using an "agile cultural approach" (it's better than "agile process") and the IT Back-End part is to be developped using a predictive approach like Waterfall.
I know the target Customer (a Bank) and they are not yet ready for a full Agility mindset.
I guess some hybrid developments already exist and I am looking for some documents/templates reflecting an actual experience.

So I would appreciate you could share a bit of your experience in this domain.

Regards,
Philippe
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I was the leader in a hugh project in the five bank in the world where we have to convine or mix architectures plus mindset as you mentioned. We use a 3-layer approach. In the back end we maintain RPG/400 functions and code and in the front end and middle we use a totally new (at this time) approach and people who work in Agile with two main methods: SCRUM and DSDM. In fact, we use those method beyond software. So, what we did, regarding to documentation, was used two main documents: Concept of Operations to document something more "business" oriented and Software Requirements Specification document (SrS) to document the technical part. Both are IEEE standards that you can find into the internet. Please let me know if this is what you are looking for.
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1 reply by Philippe Schuler
Feb 10, 2017 1:34 PM
Philippe Schuler
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Thank you Sergio for your advices.
I will search on the internet for the IEEE documentation.
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Feb 08, 2017 4:49 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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I was the leader in a hugh project in the five bank in the world where we have to convine or mix architectures plus mindset as you mentioned. We use a 3-layer approach. In the back end we maintain RPG/400 functions and code and in the front end and middle we use a totally new (at this time) approach and people who work in Agile with two main methods: SCRUM and DSDM. In fact, we use those method beyond software. So, what we did, regarding to documentation, was used two main documents: Concept of Operations to document something more "business" oriented and Software Requirements Specification document (SrS) to document the technical part. Both are IEEE standards that you can find into the internet. Please let me know if this is what you are looking for.
Thank you Sergio for your advices.
I will search on the internet for the IEEE documentation.
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Learnt a few new stuff reading through this discussion thread, thanks to Phillipe & Sergio!

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