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Is it possible to start a project without defining the scope? Is it really possible to define it as the project progresses?
I had in the last days an experience with a client who has all the resources necessary to execute a project, and as on several occasions considers that the scope is not important to define it at the beginning, but on the contrary, on the way it is fixed, you who think about that or what would they do about it?
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to execute what project? is that not scope?
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1 reply by Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
Jul 17, 2017 6:01 PM
Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
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Thanks Krishna, Is a civil engineering project, in civil works it is very important to define the scope to know what is going to be done, the studies and designs are very important at the beginning of the project.
Eduin, I agree in principle with Krishna.

Even at it's most sparse - the articulation of a single goal - would constitute scope. So while the 'final' scope would presumably include all the things PMs normally associate with the term "project scope", unless your client has said "We're going to do a project and we'll figure out what it will be for later.", chances are there is scope buried in the goal.

As an example, US president Kennedy articulated the goal "To land a man on the moon and bring him back safely". The formal scope of the project was unknown at the time, yet money and resources were allocated to proceed.
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1 reply by Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
Jul 17, 2017 5:58 PM
Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
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Thank you very much Cris
Even in Cris example there is a scope define, limited but one.
I believe in the first project of the program they define more clearly the scope of the program and subsequent projects.
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1 reply by Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
Jul 17, 2017 5:58 PM
Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
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Thank you very much Vincent
I believe the answer lies more clearly in the purpose of the project. There are two dramatically different suggestions here.

First, there is the limited context, where people recognize there might be a problem, an inefficiency, but it has not been clearly defined. The first part of the effort might be a project to simply isolate and define the scope of what needs to be done. Many, if not most of these projects start with something known in daily life that, in simple terms, 'needs fixing.'

Then, there are those projects, such as exploration of the moon, which had not been done before, no one really knew how and what it would take, but the decision was made to organize an effort, make use, in this case, of technology developed in both the US and Germany, perhaps also France, and extend its power to reach the moon. That took a lot of projects as well, before it happened, but it started with a modest scope, giving the development teams the direction they needed to extend the scope as they came to clearly undwerstand what it would take for space flight, safety, and the return to earth.
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1 reply by Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
Jul 17, 2017 5:58 PM
Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
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Thank you very much John
Jul 17, 2017 2:42 PM
Replying to Cris Casey
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Eduin, I agree in principle with Krishna.

Even at it's most sparse - the articulation of a single goal - would constitute scope. So while the 'final' scope would presumably include all the things PMs normally associate with the term "project scope", unless your client has said "We're going to do a project and we'll figure out what it will be for later.", chances are there is scope buried in the goal.

As an example, US president Kennedy articulated the goal "To land a man on the moon and bring him back safely". The formal scope of the project was unknown at the time, yet money and resources were allocated to proceed.
Thank you very much Cris
Jul 17, 2017 5:05 PM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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Even in Cris example there is a scope define, limited but one.
I believe in the first project of the program they define more clearly the scope of the program and subsequent projects.
Thank you very much Vincent
Jul 17, 2017 5:26 PM
Replying to John Tieso
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I believe the answer lies more clearly in the purpose of the project. There are two dramatically different suggestions here.

First, there is the limited context, where people recognize there might be a problem, an inefficiency, but it has not been clearly defined. The first part of the effort might be a project to simply isolate and define the scope of what needs to be done. Many, if not most of these projects start with something known in daily life that, in simple terms, 'needs fixing.'

Then, there are those projects, such as exploration of the moon, which had not been done before, no one really knew how and what it would take, but the decision was made to organize an effort, make use, in this case, of technology developed in both the US and Germany, perhaps also France, and extend its power to reach the moon. That took a lot of projects as well, before it happened, but it started with a modest scope, giving the development teams the direction they needed to extend the scope as they came to clearly undwerstand what it would take for space flight, safety, and the return to earth.
Thank you very much John
Jul 17, 2017 1:37 PM
Replying to Krishna Pakki
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to execute what project? is that not scope?
Thanks Krishna, Is a civil engineering project, in civil works it is very important to define the scope to know what is going to be done, the studies and designs are very important at the beginning of the project.
You ever has an scope defined. The point is the degree of the detail. So, it is perfectly possible and the project manager must be aware of the risk.
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1 reply by Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
Jul 18, 2017 9:10 AM
Eduin Fernando Valdes Alvarado
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Thanks Sergio
Jul 18, 2017 8:27 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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You ever has an scope defined. The point is the degree of the detail. So, it is perfectly possible and the project manager must be aware of the risk.
Thanks Sergio
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