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Do you think PMBOK6 would have given a clear definition of Agile PM?
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I have seen very clear content on Agile concepts, the Agile Scrum Model etc built into the new version of PMBOK. Agile does not have a formal role for a PM in its methodology, yet many companies hire people with titles "Agile Project Managers". What is the expectation of this role? There is not one formally defined by the Agile methodology and I was curious to read from PMBOK6 on the same topic. But did not find anything clear and more formally defined.
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Will it give future PMP exam the Agile certification for IT
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You will not find a definition because it does not exists. Agile something does not exist. That is because you will not find reference to Agile something inside the PMBOK. Thanks God or any other Force you think that governs the Universe. On the other side, the project manager role exists inside the methods based on Agile. In fact, inisde DSDM, the name is project manager.
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Agile is another project framework that is becoming a growing speciality. Yet many companies claim to hire people with that title and don't even understand what that entitles.
To get more information on Agile, its best to learn it using the SCRUM methods.
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Sorry Salvatore, but I do not agree with you. Agile is not a method. To understand what Agile really is people can search for USA DoD NSF/Agility Forum which was the place where Agile and Agility was formally born, or Mr. Rick Dove´s work named "Response Ability" which contains most of the deliverables of the forum. I have the opportunity to write a short article for the PM Network magazine : "Perfectly Positioned",http://www.pmnetwork-digital.com/pmnetwork/april_2016?pg=73#pg73
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1 reply by Salvatore Castellano
Sep 29, 2017 8:22 AM
Salvatore Castellano
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Sorry, I meant scrum MASTER. You're right, it's not a method.

On a side note, thanks for the link! :)
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Sep 29, 2017 5:07 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Sorry Salvatore, but I do not agree with you. Agile is not a method. To understand what Agile really is people can search for USA DoD NSF/Agility Forum which was the place where Agile and Agility was formally born, or Mr. Rick Dove´s work named "Response Ability" which contains most of the deliverables of the forum. I have the opportunity to write a short article for the PM Network magazine : "Perfectly Positioned",http://www.pmnetwork-digital.com/pmnetwork/april_2016?pg=73#pg73
Sorry, I meant scrum MASTER. You're right, it's not a method.

On a side note, thanks for the link! :)
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2 replies by Salvatore Castellano and Sergio Luis Conte
Sep 29, 2017 9:40 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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No problem Salvatore. I spend my time here to learn from comments in order to improve myself. For me, your comment is very valuable.
Sep 29, 2017 11:40 AM
Salvatore Castellano
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Thank you very much.
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Agile in NOT a methodology but a methodology based on agile values and principles can define roles, practices and so on and may not highlight the need for a PM.

Even on the smallest project or product, project management as a set of competencies or disciplines is needed, but having a defined PM role might not be required in small, low complexity projects following a particular agile methodology.

As complexity and size scale, the need for a PM becomes pretty evident...

Kiron
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Agile PM has an iterative approach to planning and guiding project processes. Just as in agile software development, an agile project is completed in small sections called iterations. Agile is an umbrella term for several iterative and incremental software development methodologies. So it's a framework, nor the methodology. Scrum Is a framework.
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Sep 29, 2017 8:22 AM
Replying to Salvatore Castellano
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Sorry, I meant scrum MASTER. You're right, it's not a method.

On a side note, thanks for the link! :)
No problem Salvatore. I spend my time here to learn from comments in order to improve myself. For me, your comment is very valuable.
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1 reply by Salvatore Castellano
Sep 29, 2017 11:40 AM
Salvatore Castellano
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Thank you very much.
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Just to clarify the point (at least my comment. I have the opportunity to work in the new PMBOK and all related standards with focus on Agile and Business Analysis). All I will write you can read inside the guides and standards. 1-Agile is a practice. You have other practices like Lean, Six Sigma, etc. 2-Project management is a profession (for me a pseudo-profession but it is a matter of other debate). To perform project management you can take a way: PMI´s way, GPM´s way, etc. 3-Project are started to create something then you need a process to do that (formal and informal) usually named life cycle. 4-You have life cycle models (only two: predictive and adaptive), you have life cycle process based on those models (iterative, sequential, waterfall, etc), you have methods based on those life cycle process (SDLC, V, Spiral, Scrum, DSDM, etc) and at the top of the pyramid you have tools that supports the methods (any type of tools). So, you can perform project management using any type of life cycle process and/or method and/or tool following some way l. For example, in the organization where I am working today, the same project manager is manging at the same time a project using waterfall and a project using Scrum. At the same time, in parallel. Then, you can infer why talk about Agile PM has no sense. In fact, it jeopardizes the work of people that are working as project manager and most of people that are trying to get a new job as project manager.
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3 replies by Salvatore Castellano and Stéphane Parent
Sep 29, 2017 11:44 AM
Salvatore Castellano
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How would you consider when to use PM or Agile? would you consider being based on experience? based on the type of project? type of result?
Sep 29, 2017 12:03 PM
Stéphane Parent
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You could say, Sergio, that the project manager is agile because he can switch between predictive and adaptive frameworks! :)
Sep 29, 2017 1:37 PM
Salvatore Castellano
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Absolutely!
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That is why PMBOK is called "book of Knowledge"
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Sep 29, 2017 2:47 PM
Kiron Bondale
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That would be "Body of Knowledge" :-). If only it could be contained in a single book...
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