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Agile in non-IT projects
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Hi everyone,

I have read a few articles that argue that although it is mainly used for IT projects, the agile methodology can also be implemented in other industries, too. What is your opinion on this?
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Arief -

Agile values and principles could be applied to delivering business value in any industry but specific agile methodologies and frameworks tend to be designed with a specific type of project in mind.

Having said that, you can certainly take a framework like Scrum and apply it to a non-technology project but certain agile practices (e.g. CI/CD) might not fit the context of your project.

The additional content added to each knowledge area in the PMBOK Guide Sixth Edition can give you some ideas on how to be agile with non-IT projects.

Kiron
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Apr 11, 2018 9:47 AM
Arief Prasetyo
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Hi Kiron, thanks for the insight - the projects I am involved in, although the end product is often clearly defined, getting there is almost always deviate from the plan. I am looking for ways to improve our navigating through the changes.
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YES, agile can be used outside of software development. We have used it (not scrum) in developing an online magazine. The IT portion of technology was scrum, but we had lots of work around design (visual and information) that we used more of a kanban approach.
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First of all, Agile is not a method or methodology, did not start with the Manifesto, is not software or IT. In fact, the first use of the word Agile was inside a seminal article published in 1982 in the USA named "Agile Manufacturing". Then, here you have an use outside software. Agile was created inside the USA DoD NSF/Agility Forum (1990, I was part) as an alternative or innovation from Lean. If you search for the forum deliverables or the book "Response Ability" you will find the use applycable to any type of organizations. Time after people from software who had taken Lean concepts to create methods take some of the Agile ideas from the forum (I was part of the group of authors of DSDM where I worked with Arie Van Bennekum which is one of the Manifesto creators). So, organizations hired me from 1995 up to date to implement Agile at all organizational levels. Just in case you are talking about Agile based methods that were created for software but time after they becomes "Agile Solution Delivery Methods" I used them to create non-software products. For example, 1999 I was the leader of an initiatives to create houses from Cesar Pelli designs where we used DSDM and that initiative was awarded with several international awards. Today in my actual work place we are using Scrum (a framework) to create non-software products. In the middle I have used things like XP and TDD to create the first Argentine´s Satellite that we sent to the space.
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Apr 11, 2018 9:42 AM
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Interesting stuff Sergio, thanks for that.
From manufacturing to satellite-making! I am going to read further on this and see how we can adopt some of the values/ principles.
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Apr 11, 2018 8:57 AM
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First of all, Agile is not a method or methodology, did not start with the Manifesto, is not software or IT. In fact, the first use of the word Agile was inside a seminal article published in 1982 in the USA named "Agile Manufacturing". Then, here you have an use outside software. Agile was created inside the USA DoD NSF/Agility Forum (1990, I was part) as an alternative or innovation from Lean. If you search for the forum deliverables or the book "Response Ability" you will find the use applycable to any type of organizations. Time after people from software who had taken Lean concepts to create methods take some of the Agile ideas from the forum (I was part of the group of authors of DSDM where I worked with Arie Van Bennekum which is one of the Manifesto creators). So, organizations hired me from 1995 up to date to implement Agile at all organizational levels. Just in case you are talking about Agile based methods that were created for software but time after they becomes "Agile Solution Delivery Methods" I used them to create non-software products. For example, 1999 I was the leader of an initiatives to create houses from Cesar Pelli designs where we used DSDM and that initiative was awarded with several international awards. Today in my actual work place we are using Scrum (a framework) to create non-software products. In the middle I have used things like XP and TDD to create the first Argentine´s Satellite that we sent to the space.
Interesting stuff Sergio, thanks for that.
From manufacturing to satellite-making! I am going to read further on this and see how we can adopt some of the values/ principles.
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Apr 11, 2018 10:12 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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And to create a new brand of biscuits in my actual work place using Scrum framework (jejejeje). The important thing to not fail is: 1-Agile is not about to cut cost, to deliver faster, to put changes when you want in the life cycle process, etc. Each time an organization hired me to implement Agile from 1993 up to date I am spending time to explain that Agile is not about. I prefer to setup clear expectations instead of start working and short time after being fired for not achieving the expectations. 2-by defintion Agile is A way of thought and behave whose focus is the increase of value for the client and the quality. So, your organization must define "client", "value" and "quality" first. I mean is an strategical matter. 3-when you implement Agile you gain into agility which is Be able respond to a wide variety of unexpected external surprises and create external surprises.Being agile will assist businesses who face unpredictable circumstances.That is the key differece with flexibility which is gained with Lean. KEY: all these stuff demmands a TRANSFORMATION whic mean To prepare the Enterprise Architecture driven for systemic theory and existing internal and external knowledge with focus on Agile concepts.
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Apr 11, 2018 8:14 AM
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Arief -

Agile values and principles could be applied to delivering business value in any industry but specific agile methodologies and frameworks tend to be designed with a specific type of project in mind.

Having said that, you can certainly take a framework like Scrum and apply it to a non-technology project but certain agile practices (e.g. CI/CD) might not fit the context of your project.

The additional content added to each knowledge area in the PMBOK Guide Sixth Edition can give you some ideas on how to be agile with non-IT projects.

Kiron
Hi Kiron, thanks for the insight - the projects I am involved in, although the end product is often clearly defined, getting there is almost always deviate from the plan. I am looking for ways to improve our navigating through the changes.
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Your question is very interesting. I think that not much is published that show Agile in practice in other industries. That is not helping the perception that Agile is for IT only.

Methods associated with Agile are in IT only at least it seems.

Yes Agile values and principles should be used in all industry
Arief, your question is very interesting. I think that not much is published that show Agile in practice in other industries. That is not helping the perception that Agile is for IT only. Methods associated with Agile are in IT only at least it seems.

Yes Agile values and principles should be used in all industry.
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Apr 11, 2018 9:42 AM
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Interesting stuff Sergio, thanks for that.
From manufacturing to satellite-making! I am going to read further on this and see how we can adopt some of the values/ principles.
And to create a new brand of biscuits in my actual work place using Scrum framework (jejejeje). The important thing to not fail is: 1-Agile is not about to cut cost, to deliver faster, to put changes when you want in the life cycle process, etc. Each time an organization hired me to implement Agile from 1993 up to date I am spending time to explain that Agile is not about. I prefer to setup clear expectations instead of start working and short time after being fired for not achieving the expectations. 2-by defintion Agile is A way of thought and behave whose focus is the increase of value for the client and the quality. So, your organization must define "client", "value" and "quality" first. I mean is an strategical matter. 3-when you implement Agile you gain into agility which is Be able respond to a wide variety of unexpected external surprises and create external surprises.Being agile will assist businesses who face unpredictable circumstances.That is the key differece with flexibility which is gained with Lean. KEY: all these stuff demmands a TRANSFORMATION whic mean To prepare the Enterprise Architecture driven for systemic theory and existing internal and external knowledge with focus on Agile concepts.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:57 AM
Arief Prasetyo
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*scrum to eat biscuits!

Sergio, your statement on setting expectations, not overpromising and not deducing Agile to simply "saving money" or "making things quicker", brings me back to about 10 years ago when we rolled out Lean Six Sigma and tried to apply it in our company. We saw also other peer service companies do the same thing.

In the beginning it created a lot of interest; a lean six sigma web portal was created to share the benefits lean brings to our various locations around the world. Unfortunately though, the system "forces" the operations managers to put a dollar value for all the initiatives - like for a simple FFS (Friday Five-S) initiative, we had to put how much money was saved. This number obviously is not always real, most are imaginary because you cannot accurately quantify intangible benefits or opportunity costs. All this became too cumbersome and repetitive so that towards the end of the campaign (2 years), the content of the portal were mostly our maintenance team making shadow tool boxes, painting their floors, 5S initiatives and maybe one or two touch-time tracking on equipment maintenance. All the above are no longer existent in our company, or at least not in the magnitude it was 10 years ago.

I still though, think there is definitely value in quantifying benefits in terms of the dollar amount, especially to appease the top management ultimately the shareholders. However the perfecting of workflows, the morale of the people (after changes in the workflow), comfort of working in a cleaner and more organized environment - although not always can be quantified by a big dollar value; these certainly affect the way the team performs as a whole.
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Agile is used outside IT and software, but you need to see if it's a good fit for your project.
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When i was studying for the PMI-ACP exam, one of my colleagues looked at my books and commented that a lot of Agile is about good leadership/management. That really speaks to applying the principles to all sorts of work. (I work in non-profit so i hesitate to say industry).
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Apr 12, 2018 12:44 AM
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Hi Christine, yes i think the principles you mentioned regarding leadership can be applicable anywhere.
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Agile can definitely be applied outside of IT but the level of application would be different.
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