2 years ago there was a transgender (very common in the Philippines) applying for a job in a call center. The company was fairly new, and had amongst other organizational wide polices, a fairly strict dress code. Rather than saying "neat casual", "or business attire", they stated exact requirements for men and women. For example men: "Black or dark blue business pants, white or light blue business shirt, etc." and for the women: "Plain non-pattern dress, no more than 3 inches above the knee, etc." Well this new employee was interviewed and blitzed the questions, but one of the interview questions was "Will you adhere to the dress code?" They replied yes, to the women's dress code, to which the interviewer (backed by the company) stated their birth certificate states "male" so they needed to dress in men's clothing. Not that this is the point of the discussion, but this person did not look like a man with a beard and dress. They looked and spoke for all intent and purposes exactly like a female, and yet the company still would not accept they could wear women's clothing. At the time I was their principal consultant and responsible for the implementation of the company's infrastructure and staffing requirements for the first 6 months. Long story short, I changed the policy after some friction, and the person was permitted to work.
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3 replies by Anish Abraham and Kevin Drake
Apr 28, 2018 5:50 PM
Kevin Drake
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Very interesting experience Sante.
Apr 28, 2018 8:09 PM
Kevin Drake
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Wow, this is a lot. It is very popular in GCC-Middle East countries, Many locals set fake companies and pass contracts to these companies using their positions in government, or Oil and Gas main companies.
2 years ago there was a transgender (very common in the Philippines) applying for a job in a call center. The company was fairly new, and had amongst other organizational wide polices, a fairly strict dress code. Rather than saying "neat casual", "or business attire", they stated exact requirements for men and women. For example men: "Black or dark blue business pants, white or light blue business shirt, etc." and for the women: "Plain non-pattern dress, no more than 3 inches above the knee, etc." Well this new employee was interviewed and blitzed the questions, but one of the interview questions was "Will you adhere to the dress code?" They replied yes, to the women's dress code, to which the interviewer (backed by the company) stated their birth certificate states "male" so they needed to dress in men's clothing. Not that this is the point of the discussion, but this person did not look like a man with a beard and dress. They looked and spoke for all intent and purposes exactly like a female, and yet the company still would not accept they could wear women's clothing. At the time I was their principal consultant and responsible for the implementation of the company's infrastructure and staffing requirements for the first 6 months. Long story short, I changed the policy after some friction, and the person was permitted to work.
Very interesting experience Sante.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 28, 2018 9:24 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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It was an interesting experience.
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Dinah YoungProject Manager / Software Asset Manager| Prince William CountySpringfield, Va, United States
Mine was more of a hindsight is 20/20 issue. Several years agos 2 managers decided that they were tired of contractors that they felt did not deliver to the standard of quality they wanted. So they set up several fake companies and bid on the contracts. Once they won the contract they would staff up their fake company. I actually worked for the one fake company for awhile before I was hired by the main company where I am still to this day. After everything blew up we realized that there were signs along the way. Secretive meetings, companies with names similar to other well known companies, people working on projects off hours, and the one boss using a fake name. I am not sure if I would have known what to do if I had put the pieces together.
The culprits did end up getting jail time by the way.
2 years ago there was a transgender (very common in the Philippines) applying for a job in a call center. The company was fairly new, and had amongst other organizational wide polices, a fairly strict dress code. Rather than saying "neat casual", "or business attire", they stated exact requirements for men and women. For example men: "Black or dark blue business pants, white or light blue business shirt, etc." and for the women: "Plain non-pattern dress, no more than 3 inches above the knee, etc." Well this new employee was interviewed and blitzed the questions, but one of the interview questions was "Will you adhere to the dress code?" They replied yes, to the women's dress code, to which the interviewer (backed by the company) stated their birth certificate states "male" so they needed to dress in men's clothing. Not that this is the point of the discussion, but this person did not look like a man with a beard and dress. They looked and spoke for all intent and purposes exactly like a female, and yet the company still would not accept they could wear women's clothing. At the time I was their principal consultant and responsible for the implementation of the company's infrastructure and staffing requirements for the first 6 months. Long story short, I changed the policy after some friction, and the person was permitted to work.
Wow, this is a lot. It is very popular in GCC-Middle East countries, Many locals set fake companies and pass contracts to these companies using their positions in government, or Oil and Gas main companies.
Mine was more of a hindsight is 20/20 issue. Several years agos 2 managers decided that they were tired of contractors that they felt did not deliver to the standard of quality they wanted. So they set up several fake companies and bid on the contracts. Once they won the contract they would staff up their fake company. I actually worked for the one fake company for awhile before I was hired by the main company where I am still to this day. After everything blew up we realized that there were signs along the way. Secretive meetings, companies with names similar to other well known companies, people working on projects off hours, and the one boss using a fake name. I am not sure if I would have known what to do if I had put the pieces together.
The culprits did end up getting jail time by the way.
Wow that's a classic. Saving Changes...
Kavitha GunasekaranProject Manager| Aerospace & Defence OrganisationChennai, Tamil Nadu, India
Both the above experiences are completely different in that one relates to emotional part of Ethics and the other to the business part. It makes me think Ethics is much more deep rooted in our personalities than we think it is. Saving Changes...
I accepted a position with an International Company to complete a project in the accounting department. One month into the position, the Controller informed me my time card for 40 hours was not correct. I was informed that in his department, everyone was required to turn in 50 hours a week, even if I did not work the extra hours. I declined and upon further investigation found out the Controller and the Payroll Clerk falsified their time cards, calculated the tax differences and split the money. I reported the violations and they both where terminated, along with higher VP’s. I left the Company within the year, I felt the entire office was corrupt.
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1 reply by Dinah Young
Apr 30, 2018 9:21 AM
Dinah Young
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Improper time reporting happens a lot. I worked for a company that had been caught doing so. When I was there we had to report our time daily and display our time card at all times.
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Dinah YoungProject Manager / Software Asset Manager| Prince William CountySpringfield, Va, United States
Apr 29, 2018 9:23 AM
Replying to Theresa Gilmore
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I accepted a position with an International Company to complete a project in the accounting department. One month into the position, the Controller informed me my time card for 40 hours was not correct. I was informed that in his department, everyone was required to turn in 50 hours a week, even if I did not work the extra hours. I declined and upon further investigation found out the Controller and the Payroll Clerk falsified their time cards, calculated the tax differences and split the money. I reported the violations and they both where terminated, along with higher VP’s. I left the Company within the year, I felt the entire office was corrupt.
Improper time reporting happens a lot. I worked for a company that had been caught doing so. When I was there we had to report our time daily and display our time card at all times. Saving Changes...
Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
Apr 28, 2018 5:37 PM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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2 years ago there was a transgender (very common in the Philippines) applying for a job in a call center. The company was fairly new, and had amongst other organizational wide polices, a fairly strict dress code. Rather than saying "neat casual", "or business attire", they stated exact requirements for men and women. For example men: "Black or dark blue business pants, white or light blue business shirt, etc." and for the women: "Plain non-pattern dress, no more than 3 inches above the knee, etc." Well this new employee was interviewed and blitzed the questions, but one of the interview questions was "Will you adhere to the dress code?" They replied yes, to the women's dress code, to which the interviewer (backed by the company) stated their birth certificate states "male" so they needed to dress in men's clothing. Not that this is the point of the discussion, but this person did not look like a man with a beard and dress. They looked and spoke for all intent and purposes exactly like a female, and yet the company still would not accept they could wear women's clothing. At the time I was their principal consultant and responsible for the implementation of the company's infrastructure and staffing requirements for the first 6 months. Long story short, I changed the policy after some friction, and the person was permitted to work.