Dinah YoungProject Manager / Software Asset Manager| Prince William CountySpringfield, Va, United States
Many over promise but that is usually the result of the sales guy being overconfident. They always push for additional work. They will always try to sell you the Cadillac when all you need is a Prius.
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1 reply by Karan Shah
Apr 29, 2018 11:01 PM
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With a lot of partner organisations, this trend of over-promising seems to stem from the competition in the market place. Say Vendor A over-promises a one person-day benefit to the contracting organisation. Vender B would up the game by two-person days benefit.
And then it's the arms race all over again until we hit the minimum viability margin for the vendors.
It's not an ideal scenario, but the point is that a lot of organisations are forced to over-promise given the state of competition.
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Dinah YoungProject Manager / Software Asset Manager| Prince William CountySpringfield, Va, United States
We have had staff augmentation projects where the vendor tried to bring in their own methodology and people to run the project. We had the reinforce several times during the kickoff that they were just there to support us. Vendors will be so caught up in how they do things that they do not listen to their customer.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 29, 2018 5:40 PM
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We love the overselling sales person...not!
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Larry MinerFounder and Sr. Project Management of Decision Memory Systems| Decision Memory SystemsBath, Oh, United States
Can you be more specific to what kind of vendor? Saving Changes...
it comes down to their objectives and your objectives. If those can be aligned, and you construct a contract that requires true cooperation, then you are likely to find them to be truthful in the majority of cases.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Well,not all vendors are liek this butof course some sre so like Kiron said, you have to trust, monitor and control to verify.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 29, 2018 5:41 PM
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We need a fly on the wall.
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Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
I suppose it really just depends, but any kind of blanket statement is not reasonable. There are many scenarios that can take place during an engagement. Alignment of needs and intent is best clearly defined and adhered to as a partnership.
Hopefully, some vendors could have separated and concerned in different objectives departments. For example a scientific department or a Research lab concerns could differ with sales department objectives of the same company. Saving Changes...
I usually follow strict qualifying system to filter out many vendors, however it is not easy to control it.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 29, 2018 5:44 PM
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Kevin control and monitor is necessary, but for the dodgy vendor, there is almost no way to capture all their dishonesty other than the all-seeing eye.
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Henry HattenrathProject Consultant| Tectonic Engineering MSA LLCNew York, Ny, United States
Yes. I give the vendor the benefit of trust until there is a reason to suspect otherwise. Like the Buyer’s organization, the Seller’s organization has designated contacts that represent the understanding of generated data regarding reported progress, interpretation of contract compliance and the values in invoices for completed work. The understanding is framed by the Seller’s data and the Buyer’s verification. Any deviation between the Seller’s data and the Buyer’s verification does not necessarily raise an issue of trust.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 29, 2018 5:47 PM
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Henry, trust is an interesting word. In one sense the insurance industry relies on the lack of trust to reject claims. I look at trust (in business) as keep one eye open and one eye closed; the closed eye is analogous to trust, and the open eye due diligence.
We have had staff augmentation projects where the vendor tried to bring in their own methodology and people to run the project. We had the reinforce several times during the kickoff that they were just there to support us. Vendors will be so caught up in how they do things that they do not listen to their customer.
We love the overselling sales person...not! Saving Changes...