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Hello.. i'm new to project management here is my first question Why there are no scope,schedule and cost processes in Executing process group?

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Salman Morris, PMP Project Manager| CareCloud Islamabad, Pakistan
these three knowledge areas the triple constraints
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Michael Brian Fl, United States
Taking a crack at this, I would say scope, scheduling, and cost have to do more with the initiating/planning phase.

The triple constraints describe the key areas that need to monitored for any risks or issues throwing off the balance within those factors of the project.

Execution is where you direct, manage, and implement actions to do the work.

** Critique me if I stand incorrect anywhere. I like to answer questions as a form of practice. :)
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1 reply by Salman Morris, PMP
May 18, 2018 12:28 PM
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yeah but can i say executing processes are there to support triple constraints to create value and quality that reflects customer satisfaction? correct me if any
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Margaret Love Senior Instructor| Velociteach Greenville, Sc, United States
Adding to the concept of the triple constraint...The execution for those knowledge areas is done in Direct and Manage Execution in Integration Management. You can't really "execute scope". You do that as part of building the product (in Integration Mgmt). Same with the schedule and cost. The idea behind the "Integration" knowledge area is that it "integrates" the work done in the rest of the knowledge areas - particularly Scope, Time, and Cost - but the others as well.

Great question!
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Salman Morris, PMP Project Manager| CareCloud Islamabad, Pakistan
May 18, 2018 12:15 PM
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Taking a crack at this, I would say scope, scheduling, and cost have to do more with the initiating/planning phase.

The triple constraints describe the key areas that need to monitored for any risks or issues throwing off the balance within those factors of the project.

Execution is where you direct, manage, and implement actions to do the work.

** Critique me if I stand incorrect anywhere. I like to answer questions as a form of practice. :)
yeah but can i say executing processes are there to support triple constraints to create value and quality that reflects customer satisfaction? correct me if any
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1 reply by Michael Brian
May 18, 2018 12:49 PM
Michael Brian
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That's a good question.

I would the activities being done across the specified knowledge areas are what supports and drives the vehicle aspect of getting the work done.

Here, you would have risk responses made to support any issues within the three constraints of the project, but overall you'd be managing and conducting the work.

Monitoring and controlling would be more where you're overseeing and supporting the balance of those constraints. I would say the execution phase with monitoring phase goes hand in hand, working together because as the work starts to get done, you need to control the phases involved to keep those constraints together.

As I am also new to this, this is how I am looking at it from my perspective.
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Michael Brian Fl, United States
May 18, 2018 12:28 PM
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yeah but can i say executing processes are there to support triple constraints to create value and quality that reflects customer satisfaction? correct me if any
That's a good question.

I would the activities being done across the specified knowledge areas are what supports and drives the vehicle aspect of getting the work done.

Here, you would have risk responses made to support any issues within the three constraints of the project, but overall you'd be managing and conducting the work.

Monitoring and controlling would be more where you're overseeing and supporting the balance of those constraints. I would say the execution phase with monitoring phase goes hand in hand, working together because as the work starts to get done, you need to control the phases involved to keep those constraints together.

As I am also new to this, this is how I am looking at it from my perspective.
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Margaret Love Senior Instructor| Velociteach Greenville, Sc, United States
Word of warning to new PM's... the Process Groups are not the same thing as project phases. Sadly, the names sound similar but they are not the same.

Phases are time periods in your project where you accomplish a significant deliverable. Phase names are usually determined by your organization's (or industry's) methodology. They could be called Phase A, B, C, and D or Red, White, Blue, and Green. The names of the phases are entirely up to the PM and the organization.

PMI's Process Groups (Initiating, Planning, Executing, Monitoring and Controlling, and Closing) are simply ...groups of processes... or types of work grouped together into a category. Initiating processes start things (the project or a phase). Closing processes wrap things up (the project or a phase). Planning processes develop plans, executing processes execute those plans, and monitoring and controlling processes run in the background almost, constantly checking to be sure that we are properly following the plans and that they are working.

You can use the processes whenever you need them over the life of the project. Certainly you use planning processes a lot in the Planning Phase, but you use them throughout the life of the project when you are planning or re-planning anything. At the very end of the project when you are in the Closing Phase and deciding where to go for that last party, you are using a planning process.

It's a subtle and confusing distinction but once you grasp it, it will help with questions on the PMP exam and also questions like this good one about why processes are in one group and not another.
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1 reply by Salman Morris, PMP
May 19, 2018 5:54 AM
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Exactly because each project phase may have separate process groups from initiating to closing, this is the point of difference.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
These are covered under "4.3 Direct and Manage Project Work" under the Executing Process Group.
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Salman Morris, PMP Project Manager| CareCloud Islamabad, Pakistan
May 18, 2018 2:30 PM
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Word of warning to new PM's... the Process Groups are not the same thing as project phases. Sadly, the names sound similar but they are not the same.

Phases are time periods in your project where you accomplish a significant deliverable. Phase names are usually determined by your organization's (or industry's) methodology. They could be called Phase A, B, C, and D or Red, White, Blue, and Green. The names of the phases are entirely up to the PM and the organization.

PMI's Process Groups (Initiating, Planning, Executing, Monitoring and Controlling, and Closing) are simply ...groups of processes... or types of work grouped together into a category. Initiating processes start things (the project or a phase). Closing processes wrap things up (the project or a phase). Planning processes develop plans, executing processes execute those plans, and monitoring and controlling processes run in the background almost, constantly checking to be sure that we are properly following the plans and that they are working.

You can use the processes whenever you need them over the life of the project. Certainly you use planning processes a lot in the Planning Phase, but you use them throughout the life of the project when you are planning or re-planning anything. At the very end of the project when you are in the Closing Phase and deciding where to go for that last party, you are using a planning process.

It's a subtle and confusing distinction but once you grasp it, it will help with questions on the PMP exam and also questions like this good one about why processes are in one group and not another.
Exactly because each project phase may have separate process groups from initiating to closing, this is the point of difference.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Because you do not execute scope, schedule and cost. You execute activities that will impact scope, schedule and cost. So, the place to put related process is Monitoring and Controlling process group.That is not the same with quality, resources, communications, risk, procurement and stakeholders where you execute things directly related to them.
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1 reply by Salman Morris, PMP
May 19, 2018 9:20 AM
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exactly the answer i'm looking for " because you do not execute scope, schedule and cost." thank you so much Sir :-)
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Drew Craig Sr. Agile & Product Coach| Vanguard Philadelphia, Pa, United States
Monitoring & Controlling :)
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Salman Morris, PMP Project Manager| CareCloud Islamabad, Pakistan
May 19, 2018 8:38 AM
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Because you do not execute scope, schedule and cost. You execute activities that will impact scope, schedule and cost. So, the place to put related process is Monitoring and Controlling process group.That is not the same with quality, resources, communications, risk, procurement and stakeholders where you execute things directly related to them.
exactly the answer i'm looking for " because you do not execute scope, schedule and cost." thank you so much Sir :-)
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
May 20, 2018 7:35 AM
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You are welcome. You question help me to think about it and then to learn. Regards.
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