Joshua RenderProduct Owner| CognizantHarrisville, Ny, United States
I am sure most of you by now have read, or at least saw the headlines, about a new trend where job candidates will stop all contact with companies and recruiters during the recruiting process or not showing up for interviews. Sometimes even accepting an offer, then just not showing up for work.
My experience has been more the reverse of this, with recruiters going silent for months and then suddenly contacting me - with me wondering who they even are because I forgot about them.
What are your thoughts on this practice? Rude and unprofessional, a learned behavior, or perhaps karma coming back to haunt employers. Saving Changes...
Joshua RenderProduct Owner| CognizantHarrisville, Ny, United States
Jun 25, 2018 6:57 AM
Replying to Eric Simms
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I’d characterize ghosting as job seeker rudeness mixed with a fear of confrontation (not wanting to tell a company they found a better offer), and rationalized by companies' similar behavior toward job seekers for years.
That said, people seem to forget how connected everyone is today, and don't consider that word of their actions will likely spread and negatively affect their future employment opportunities.
I think it is rude that both do it. I don't think you can justify your actions by saying, "well they are doing it, so I should be able to as well." As I said on linkedIn, I prefer to hold myself to a higher standard, and just remember the companies that do it to me. Saving Changes...
Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
Jun 25, 2018 7:56 AM
Replying to Joshua Render
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I agree, it doesn't seem like a very professional practice.
I see it working a bit both ways. If I can make time to drop a quick email, it would be nice if they could too. I won't practice the act of ghosting myself just because employers are doing it, but many of them kind of deserve it.
I once had a small company, less than 100 employees, reach out to me through email to set up an interview time. I responded with a very open calendar (I had just been laid off, my calendar was way open). I never heard back from them after that. No email telling me they didn't want to interview me anymore.
Thinking the email got lost, I sent it again. They reached out and made contact the first time, surely they actually wanted to interview me. But nothing the second time. I got the hint and made a note of that company. I won't be dealing with them again (unless I am really really desperate and need to eat).
I’ve had similar experiences. Actually, just recently happened. Same company twice now, though spread by 5 years :)
The second time one of their execs referred me personally. Their recruiter reached out,but I was traveling for work at the time. I responded but never heard back. Not a strong effort and less of an impression.
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1 reply by Joshua Render
Jun 26, 2018 9:02 AM
Joshua Render
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I think it just happened to me again. Maybe I am impatient, I will give it a couple more days. The job sounded interesting too and a perfect fit for me.
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Christopher HallChief Technology Officer| Healthlynked Fort Myers Florida , United States
Jun 25, 2018 6:23 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Joshua -
When a candidate does this, it is often a sign of a sellor's market but is unprofessional regardless.
I'm never surprised when recruiters go silent - you have to remember that most mid-large sized recruiting firms are handling hundreds if not thousands of candidates so unless there is something meaningful to share with a candidate, they have to manage their time efficiently.
The smaller boutique type recruiting firms can afford to spend more time on candidate relationship management but they also won't have access to as many opportunities.
Kiron
I do not think it is appropriate to accept this behavior from candidates or employers. However, I believe that employers started it with a generation of people being told by many businesses that you are replaceable without notice, we do not owe you anything, we value our bottom line more than our employee's interests and if you have a problem with it then feel free to quit because there are a dozen others out there ready to take your job for less pay. Their entire business model is based on this thinking and they are now finding it difficult to move forward in this new environment. The millenials coming on board are now telling their employers...I can get a job anywhere doing this, I don't owe you anything, and if you cannot handle that then I will go across the street and make a bit more doing the same thing. We are back to a time when employers need to offer their employees a sense of security, engagement and a value proposition to come work for them. Companies have revealed who the good employers to work for are vs. the ones that treat employees as a necessary evil in the recent past through their practice of both laying off while at the same time hiring often in the same business quarter. Companies that laid folks off without much notice or severance over the last couple of years are seeing a wave of folks fleeing them because their employers have told them what they can expect when the next downturn happens and they have a choice of where to go. Furthermore, sites like Glassdoor.com is being used to find the companies that labored through difficult times WITH their employees and resisted laying off and made pacts with their employees to face the headwinds together. Saving Changes...
The article mentioned that they kept the names of people doing this and refused to interview them again in the future. They said some people came back months later to interview again and were upset at being denied a new interview.
Joshua RenderProduct Owner| CognizantHarrisville, Ny, United States
Jun 25, 2018 8:24 AM
Replying to Drew Craig
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I’ve had similar experiences. Actually, just recently happened. Same company twice now, though spread by 5 years :)
The second time one of their execs referred me personally. Their recruiter reached out,but I was traveling for work at the time. I responded but never heard back. Not a strong effort and less of an impression.
I think it just happened to me again. Maybe I am impatient, I will give it a couple more days. The job sounded interesting too and a perfect fit for me. Saving Changes...
Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
I had similar experience, like recruiters contacting me after several months. I won't have any clue why they are contacting me or for which job.
In my opinion, it should be a common courtesy to let a company/candidate know where he/she stands in the process. A rejection is disappointing but 'ghosting' shows a lack of leadership and empathy. Saving Changes...