R. D. YsselsteinPrincipal Senior Project Manager| Prolutions Project Management Inc.Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Hi Alberto. Although I'm admitadly a bit biased due to the nature of my role and company, I'd be surprised if the majority of experienced/confident PMs didn't prefer to manage within a projected environment.
With respect to how that relates to the industry's movement towards an Agile structure, I feel as though the increased authority and independence provided a PM within the projected environment a better foundation for transition to an agile structure. That's made more difficult when teams are more accustomed to a functional matrix structure.
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Jul 12, 2018 5:58 PM
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"With respect to how that relates to the industry's movement towards an Agile structure, I feel as though the increased authority and independence provided a PM within the projected environment a better foundation for transition to an agile structure."
Agile is about self managed teams but in order to succeed we need more authority in the hands of the PM. This simply does not make any sense to me.
With Scrum I have learned from this site that in order to have self-managed teams more managers are needed now I found out that more authority for the managers is also needed.
R.D. ;
Thank you for your input. I completely agree with you on all of the points your raised. I'm gathering a consensus of how our peers feel overall on the subject. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
There is no reason to related Agile to structure. To use Agile is not a matter of structure.
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1 reply by R. D. Ysselstein
Jul 12, 2018 4:27 PM
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Hi Sergio. To be blunt, if you believe that agile methodologies (or for that matter any PM methodology) are unaffected by organizational structure which inherently influences the culture of any team or organization...you're wrong.
Remember that the PM is on the hook for all those "messy" HR activities which they can happily punt over to functional managers in a matrix context.
Give me a true strong matrix any day!
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R. D. YsselsteinPrincipal Senior Project Manager| Prolutions Project Management Inc.Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 12, 2018 3:27 PM
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There is no reason to related Agile to structure. To use Agile is not a matter of structure.
Hi Sergio. To be blunt, if you believe that agile methodologies (or for that matter any PM methodology) are unaffected by organizational structure which inherently influences the culture of any team or organization...you're wrong.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Jul 13, 2018 5:19 AM
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Structure is only one of the variables inside the business layer (which is one of the layers that compones the enterprise architecture) to take into account but organizations can apply agile with any type of structure. In fact, is what I am doing from 1995 up to date. It is impossible to throw away the silos oriented or functional oriented architecture commonly finded into today organizations to create a new one. Obviously, you can say "impossible is nothing" and I agree with you. At the end is a matter of impact analisys which is the first thing to do each time organizations desire to introduce something to do something as part of their strategy.On the other side, Agile is not about to use a methodology.
Hi Alberto. Although I'm admitadly a bit biased due to the nature of my role and company, I'd be surprised if the majority of experienced/confident PMs didn't prefer to manage within a projected environment.
With respect to how that relates to the industry's movement towards an Agile structure, I feel as though the increased authority and independence provided a PM within the projected environment a better foundation for transition to an agile structure. That's made more difficult when teams are more accustomed to a functional matrix structure.
"With respect to how that relates to the industry's movement towards an Agile structure, I feel as though the increased authority and independence provided a PM within the projected environment a better foundation for transition to an agile structure."
Agile is about self managed teams but in order to succeed we need more authority in the hands of the PM. This simply does not make any sense to me.
With Scrum I have learned from this site that in order to have self-managed teams more managers are needed now I found out that more authority for the managers is also needed. Saving Changes...
Deepesh RammoorthyICT Project Manager ( PMP®AgilePM®Certified ScrumMaster® (CSM®))| Australian Red Cross Blood ServiceTarneit, Vic, Australia
I am with Kiron on this one .
Give me high performing project team and let them be managed on a day to day basis by a functional manager in a strong matrix . The HR overheads can be too much for a PM to handle who already has enough on their plate managing the project .
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Jul 12, 2018 7:40 PM
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I respectfully disagree. I think many if not most PMs would love to have formal authority over the project team members so that they could motivate them or on the other hand threaten them with punishments if they don't deliver on time. However they don't get that.
In order to manage people you must have been in their shoes so that you can understand the difficulties they face while they do their work. A PM only cares about delivering on time at all costs. A functional managers cares more about his people that usually have the same profession as he does.
Also functional managers are always senior employees members of the management team while PMs can even be very junior employees who have recently graduated from college and have a few years of work experience. It would be ridiculous to have junior employees managing more senior employees.
Give me high performing project team and let them be managed on a day to day basis by a functional manager in a strong matrix . The HR overheads can be too much for a PM to handle who already has enough on their plate managing the project .
I respectfully disagree. I think many if not most PMs would love to have formal authority over the project team members so that they could motivate them or on the other hand threaten them with punishments if they don't deliver on time. However they don't get that.
In order to manage people you must have been in their shoes so that you can understand the difficulties they face while they do their work. A PM only cares about delivering on time at all costs. A functional managers cares more about his people that usually have the same profession as he does.
Also functional managers are always senior employees members of the management team while PMs can even be very junior employees who have recently graduated from college and have a few years of work experience. It would be ridiculous to have junior employees managing more senior employees.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Jul 13, 2018 8:00 AM
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Adrian -
You can't motivate team members regardless of your authority. You can try to inspire them which in turn MAY motivate them.
I've worked with some great PMs who had zero formal authority but through their servant-leadership, high EQ and excellence at developing positive relationships with their team members and functional managers were able to get highly motivated teams.
I've also worked with some horrible PMs who had formal authority but thought everything boiled down to carrots and sticks.
I'm surprised you feel a PM only cares about delivering on time at all costs - to me, that's a weak PM. I know they are out there, but I wouldn't make that generalization for the profession.
I also wouldn't feel that functional managers are always senior employees - I've seen enough technical experts promoted in spite of their low people skills into functional management.
Kiron
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