And that is why the waterfall world will always have a place, while the Agile world will keep moving...forward. Saving Changes...
RAJESH K LProject Manager, PMP| Bharat Electronics, Bengaluru, IndiaBengaluru, Karnataka, India
I prefer working in the projectised environment because it cuts down bureacracy and focus is on the project and all relevant teams / group contribute in unison to the project goals. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 12, 2018 4:27 PM
Replying to R. D. Ysselstein
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Hi Sergio. To be blunt, if you believe that agile methodologies (or for that matter any PM methodology) are unaffected by organizational structure which inherently influences the culture of any team or organization...you're wrong.
Structure is only one of the variables inside the business layer (which is one of the layers that compones the enterprise architecture) to take into account but organizations can apply agile with any type of structure. In fact, is what I am doing from 1995 up to date. It is impossible to throw away the silos oriented or functional oriented architecture commonly finded into today organizations to create a new one. Obviously, you can say "impossible is nothing" and I agree with you. At the end is a matter of impact analisys which is the first thing to do each time organizations desire to introduce something to do something as part of their strategy.On the other side, Agile is not about to use a methodology. Saving Changes...
I respectfully disagree. I think many if not most PMs would love to have formal authority over the project team members so that they could motivate them or on the other hand threaten them with punishments if they don't deliver on time. However they don't get that.
In order to manage people you must have been in their shoes so that you can understand the difficulties they face while they do their work. A PM only cares about delivering on time at all costs. A functional managers cares more about his people that usually have the same profession as he does.
Also functional managers are always senior employees members of the management team while PMs can even be very junior employees who have recently graduated from college and have a few years of work experience. It would be ridiculous to have junior employees managing more senior employees.
Adrian -
You can't motivate team members regardless of your authority. You can try to inspire them which in turn MAY motivate them.
I've worked with some great PMs who had zero formal authority but through their servant-leadership, high EQ and excellence at developing positive relationships with their team members and functional managers were able to get highly motivated teams.
I've also worked with some horrible PMs who had formal authority but thought everything boiled down to carrots and sticks.
I'm surprised you feel a PM only cares about delivering on time at all costs - to me, that's a weak PM. I know they are out there, but I wouldn't make that generalization for the profession.
I also wouldn't feel that functional managers are always senior employees - I've seen enough technical experts promoted in spite of their low people skills into functional management.
You can't motivate team members regardless of your authority. You can try to inspire them which in turn MAY motivate them.
I've worked with some great PMs who had zero formal authority but through their servant-leadership, high EQ and excellence at developing positive relationships with their team members and functional managers were able to get highly motivated teams.
I've also worked with some horrible PMs who had formal authority but thought everything boiled down to carrots and sticks.
I'm surprised you feel a PM only cares about delivering on time at all costs - to me, that's a weak PM. I know they are out there, but I wouldn't make that generalization for the profession.
I also wouldn't feel that functional managers are always senior employees - I've seen enough technical experts promoted in spite of their low people skills into functional management.
Kiron
Have empathy Kiron, he ain't Agile ;-) hehe Saving Changes...
All, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to respond. truly appreciated. Sergio, we can agree to disagree as Agile has become its own methodology with direct impact on structure, teams, composition and overall culture to which many subscribe to. While I don't agree with it, I can certainly appreciate its impact. Eric, thank you for sharing the Spotify article with the group, quite insightful. everyone else, thank you again for your time and participation. Saving Changes...
