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Are you a Female Project Manager? How do you succeed in a male dominated industry?

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Emily Luijbregts Project Manager| Siemens PLM Software Breda, Netherlands
Hi there,
I'm looking for some experience and examples of how other females lead and develop/progress in a male dominated environment?

Do you see it as a Problem? Has being a woman ever held you back from being considered for promotion/projects? or do you feel that your experience speaks for itself?

I'd love to hear from you! You can either reply here or PM me :)

Best wishes,
Emily.
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Pench Batta Enterprise Lean Agile DevOps Coach /SAFe Program Consultant (SPC6)| Capgemini, Inc. Bentonville, Ar, United States
I don't think really gender can make any difference in the project management. As long you are a good communicator, I think it will be as simple as managing the projects.
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1 reply by Emily Luijbregts
Sep 28, 2018 3:35 PM
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I wish that was true Pench!

I've found in the competitive world of Project Management, your gender can be a real handicap!
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Emily Luijbregts Project Manager| Siemens PLM Software Breda, Netherlands
These are really interesting points made. Can I ask what do you do to work with the cultures/organisations that do oppress you? How do you succeed? Are there any tips that you can give?

Is it solely about not caring what others think (as per Eric's comment), or are there ways to 'play the game'?
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1 reply by Eric Simms
Oct 09, 2018 6:54 PM
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One way to ‘play the game’ by using misogynists’ own arrogance against them. For example, in many work situations women do most of the essential work while their male bosses profit from their efforts. This arrangement works because society has trained women to focus so much on being accepted and liked that they will tolerate incredibly unfair situations. This focus is so strong that women fail to realize the immense power they hold, since most businesses would come to a screeching halt if they were to quit.
So, let’s say you’re a woman in an organization where you can’t advance due to misogyny. You know you’re doing most of the work but aren’t being fairly compensated for it. In this situation you could seek out new responsibilities to improve your resume. Don’t let the men know you’re doing this to grow, however; let them think you’re just being ingratiating. One day you can make the company an ultimatum – give you a particular position at a particular salary, or you’ll resign. The men will probably try to placate you with vague promises of a promotion sometime in the future or a partial salary increase. If they don’t accede to your demands, leave the company and take all your knowledge and experience with you.
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Emily Luijbregts Project Manager| Siemens PLM Software Breda, Netherlands
Sep 28, 2018 12:14 PM
Replying to Pench Batta
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I don't think really gender can make any difference in the project management. As long you are a good communicator, I think it will be as simple as managing the projects.
I wish that was true Pench!

I've found in the competitive world of Project Management, your gender can be a real handicap!
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
I totally agree with Eric on this. In my organization we have more female PM than male, so I never felt any gender difference as such. May be in other organizations.
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Larry Miner Founder and Sr. Project Management of Decision Memory Systems| Decision Memory Systems Bath, Oh, United States
Women can't compensate for all the potential aspects that may get in their way but what I can say is the women that I've worked with, that I respected, have some things in common. They leaned in at meetings (they never sat back in their chairs), got their elbows up on the table (and participated), they were prepared (not every pm is) and spoke their minds professionally. They did not / do not defer. They knew their profession.
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Therese Poujade-Goustiaux Consultant| Wish E Works Montastruc La Conseillere, France
Here is a brief interview with Therese Huston that delineates specific techniques from her book that women can use to help.
https://hbr.org/podcast/2018/10/making-gre...m_medium=social
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Joanna Couto Boston, MA, United States
I heard women (in general) will only apply for a job if they exceed 100% job requirements, whereas men (in general) will apply if they meet 75%.

I do not know if the second half is true. But I believe I have held myself back in thuis way, inadvertently. Now I am stepping ut of my comfort zone.
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1 reply by Eric Simms
Oct 09, 2018 4:47 PM
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I'd say that 75% estimate is accurate when it comes to men applying for jobs. In fact, it's probably a bit less. As Larry says, many times a job's true requirements are combined with desired traits. Recruiters know these likely won't be met, but they figure there's no harm in asking anyway.
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maria antonette cardoso Commercial Project Manager| Bilfinger Deutsche Babcock Emirates LLC Abu Dhabi, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Emily,

I have been working in this capacity in a male-dominated environment for almost a decade now and during Client meetings I am still getting that confused stare from the members of the opposite sex. One of the assumptions is that I am just there to take notes (no offense meant to equally hardworking secretaries and executive assistants).

I totally agree that acceptance of a female PM especially in an Oil & Gas industry setting in the Middle East is dependent on the following factors:

- your own preparation and groundwork as what Girija mentioned in her post. No bragging rights but let your experience and skills show that you are also made of sterner stuff. I have been branded as trying to act as "overtly smart" by male counterparts but it is great to always walk your talk.

- the Company culture also plays a substantial role as what Eric and Lenka mentioned. I am grateful to my bosses who allows me to do what is necessary and supports my assertiveness as long as it is compliant with the Company guidelines. Funny thing here is that some co-Asian & Arab counterparts sees my assertiveness as disrespectful (part of the cultural belief that women are supposed to be subjective (understood but not in a professional setting).

- Mirroring - if you want respect, be respectful as well. We can be assertive, commanding, pushy etc. but still considerate and courteous. We need to understand the limits of others as well as our own limitations.

- Acceptance of regional culture / work environment - Yes I was withhold from handling bigger and more complex projects for Oil & Gas (onshore jobs e.g. modification in rigs, power plants etc.) since practically females are not allowed inside the plant or in the platform. Therefore if the work requires full time presence of PM on site, I am automatically out of the equation. Nevertheless, I still have the opportunity to manage varying offshore projects e.g. Maintenance, modification, operations (EPC & turnkey)

On a lighter note, a lot of Asian and Arab women here in the UAE have already blended in the Oil & Gas and Infrastructure industry and occupy higher management positions. The UAE government also recognized the local Emiratis who have spearheaded leadership roles.
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Larry Miner Founder and Sr. Project Management of Decision Memory Systems| Decision Memory Systems Bath, Oh, United States
Joanna, I apply for positions @75% because experience has taught me that the requirements are rarely correct. I find that after talking about or interviewing for the position it's almost always different thereby allowing me some representation / view into the real position. Also, remember that quite often a staffing firm or recruiter helps write the requirements, or at least adjusts them, which makes them 2nd hand.
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Eric Simms Senior Program Manager Baltimore, Maryland, United States
Oct 08, 2018 9:14 PM
Replying to Joanna Couto
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I heard women (in general) will only apply for a job if they exceed 100% job requirements, whereas men (in general) will apply if they meet 75%.

I do not know if the second half is true. But I believe I have held myself back in thuis way, inadvertently. Now I am stepping ut of my comfort zone.
I'd say that 75% estimate is accurate when it comes to men applying for jobs. In fact, it's probably a bit less. As Larry says, many times a job's true requirements are combined with desired traits. Recruiters know these likely won't be met, but they figure there's no harm in asking anyway.
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1 reply by Lenka Pincot
Oct 09, 2018 9:07 PM
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I’ve seen these number too in this report:
https://leanin.org/tips/mvp

They provide this explanation:
Women and men ascribe their success to different things. Men typically attribute their success to innate qualities and skills, while women often attribute success to external factors such as “working hard,” “getting lucky,” or “help from others.” Women and men also differ when it comes to explaining their failures. When a man fails, he attributes it to situational factors like “didn’t practice enough” or “not interested in the subject.” When a woman fails, she is more likely to attribute it to lack of ability.
As a result, women gives themselves less credit and don’t have confidence as men.
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