Stelian ROMANProject Manager| MicroSafetyCarlingford, New South Wales, Australia
After the meteoric rise of Scrum a new framework gains more and more popularity as an Enterprise Agile option. Personally I believe that there is nothing new in SAFe functions and roles are a combination of Scrum and traditional practices. What is new in SAFe and is SAFe a Project Delivery framework? Saving Changes...
Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
Exposure, marketing, and community :) Though, I do appreciate it for what it has brought to the wider audience, I also realize its overhead. For larger organizations looking to embark on their Agile transformation train - ATT :), it provides a level of comfort with the amalgamation of Scrum and 'Traditional'. Saving Changes...
Arguably when it comes to delivery practices there is nothing new under the sun.
As Andrew has indicated, SAFe enjoys market share primarily due to a significant marketing budget but it is a very large "pill" for most companies to swallow as even in its simplest configuration it will require a lot of change.
I'm also a strong advocate of the principle that if you can't be agile in the simplest context, don't try to scale!
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Stelian ROMANProject Manager| MicroSafetyCarlingford, New South Wales, Australia
@Kiron, I agree with you: if you can't understand and implement a 20 pages framework then there is no point in trying a more complex approach. So far I've seen more failed Scrum implementations than successful ones. Saving Changes...
Pench BattaEnterprise Lean Agile DevOps Coach /SAFe Program Consultant (SPC6)| Capgemini, Inc.Bentonville, Ar, United States
SAFe includes Lean and DevOps concepts in their framework. It is more elaborated and is in four different levels.
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Oct 15, 2018 4:33 PM
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Oench, Lean is almost 100 years old and DevOps is a practice specific to software development. My question is if SAFe brings anything new from the Project Management perspective.
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Stelian ROMANProject Manager| MicroSafetyCarlingford, New South Wales, Australia
Oct 15, 2018 2:33 PM
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SAFe includes Lean and DevOps concepts in their framework. It is more elaborated and is in four different levels.
Oench, Lean is almost 100 years old and DevOps is a practice specific to software development. My question is if SAFe brings anything new from the Project Management perspective. Saving Changes...
Pench BattaEnterprise Lean Agile DevOps Coach /SAFe Program Consultant (SPC6)| Capgemini, Inc.Bentonville, Ar, United States
SAFe combines the power of Agile with systems thinking and Lean product development. It synchronizes alignment, collaboration, and delivery for multiple Agile teams. As a result, SAFe provides dramatic improvements to business agility, including productivity, time to market, quality, and employee engagement, and more.
The question was not if I know what SAFe site said but what is new in SAFe?
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Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
SAFe is operating with terms as Value chain, Lean, portfolio management, program management. These are all established practices and existed long time ago. Actually also system thinking is coming from a method called Business Dynamics which was born in the fifties and is coming from cybernetics.
But what about the solution train and agile release train, the cadence and synchronization on large scale solutions, where these used anywhere before as a defined method?
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Oct 17, 2018 4:07 AM
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Thank you Lenka. I'm not sure that the practice of release coordination is that new. I agree that the train term is new but I've seen similar approaches implemented as a collection of projects working on a single large product. the process was used since late 90s in that organisation. I don't see a big difference between the framework and a phased delivery using Scrum.in the dev team.
Another concern, apart from novelty, is that the framework is too software oriented. There are some knowledge areas (Risk Management, Change Management, Procurement, Cost Management) that are not covered
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Stelian ROMANProject Manager| MicroSafetyCarlingford, New South Wales, Australia
Oct 16, 2018 12:08 PM
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SAFe combines the power of Agile with systems thinking and Lean product development. It synchronizes alignment, collaboration, and delivery for multiple Agile teams. As a result, SAFe provides dramatic improvements to business agility, including productivity, time to market, quality, and employee engagement, and more.
The question was not if I know what SAFe site said but what is new in SAFe? Saving Changes...
Stelian ROMANProject Manager| MicroSafetyCarlingford, New South Wales, Australia
Oct 16, 2018 3:17 PM
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SAFe is operating with terms as Value chain, Lean, portfolio management, program management. These are all established practices and existed long time ago. Actually also system thinking is coming from a method called Business Dynamics which was born in the fifties and is coming from cybernetics.
But what about the solution train and agile release train, the cadence and synchronization on large scale solutions, where these used anywhere before as a defined method?
Thank you Lenka. I'm not sure that the practice of release coordination is that new. I agree that the train term is new but I've seen similar approaches implemented as a collection of projects working on a single large product. the process was used since late 90s in that organisation. I don't see a big difference between the framework and a phased delivery using Scrum.in the dev team.
Another concern, apart from novelty, is that the framework is too software oriented. There are some knowledge areas (Risk Management, Change Management, Procurement, Cost Management) that are not covered
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Oct 17, 2018 6:41 AM
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Hi Stelian, You’re right, SAFe looks like collection of several good practices that are put together. It is also IT oriented and not covering the whole enterprise, from this perspective I believe that DAD is more realistic.
However regarding content and novelty of SAFe I would not even expect brand new ideas. Since businesses learned that efficiency and sustainable growth is about coordination of strategy, processes and resources, there were formalized several frameworks which are being improved or renamed over time but the main principle is still the same. So no wonder there are not really brand new things when it comes to large scale solutions, we need to get back to the basics to make small scale ideas, such as scrum or Kanban, to work in large environment. But basically it is just about putting them into context of management of a large business.
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Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
Oct 17, 2018 4:07 AM
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Thank you Lenka. I'm not sure that the practice of release coordination is that new. I agree that the train term is new but I've seen similar approaches implemented as a collection of projects working on a single large product. the process was used since late 90s in that organisation. I don't see a big difference between the framework and a phased delivery using Scrum.in the dev team.
Another concern, apart from novelty, is that the framework is too software oriented. There are some knowledge areas (Risk Management, Change Management, Procurement, Cost Management) that are not covered
Hi Stelian, You’re right, SAFe looks like collection of several good practices that are put together. It is also IT oriented and not covering the whole enterprise, from this perspective I believe that DAD is more realistic.
However regarding content and novelty of SAFe I would not even expect brand new ideas. Since businesses learned that efficiency and sustainable growth is about coordination of strategy, processes and resources, there were formalized several frameworks which are being improved or renamed over time but the main principle is still the same. So no wonder there are not really brand new things when it comes to large scale solutions, we need to get back to the basics to make small scale ideas, such as scrum or Kanban, to work in large environment. But basically it is just about putting them into context of management of a large business. Saving Changes...
