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Asif Gul Consultant Project Manager| Energoprojekt Entel Muscat, Oman
I wonder how many of you have faced too many issues relating to HSE on your Projects, specially construction related Projects & how smoothly you handle these.

We are facing too many conflicts relating to authority, influence & area of control between HSE team & Project management team, in our organisation.

Your valuable input is highly appreciated.
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Mohan Kulkarni PM Specialist| MBK Consultants Pune, Maharashtra State. India, India
Yes to manage HSE matters on construction Projects is a very complex and challenging.The challenge comes from People mind . Conviction that safety is mandatory,nonnegotiable,not a cost centre and shall be foundation for every thing that need be done , from all the levels of the organisation, shall decide the success of the project.Top leadership need be willing to pay the appropriate cost of incorporating safety in the elements of project ingradients right from specifications of items.item descriptions/to selection contractors till delivery of the project.This will help the team to eliminate many issues which can lead to safety conflicts during execution arising due to gaps in understanding of the extent of impact of the methodologies followed and expectation of safety performance levels from the stakeholders involved in deliveries.
The issue of authority does arise due to different levels of understanding,sensitivity and ambiguity of ground rules amongst the team and leadership of the organisation. As for poor Quality the 85% of the share goes to top leadership for the poor systems created by them ,for poor safety performance 90 % share goes to top management . The safety rules and practices should evolve not only from regulation but from safety observations done and closed by the team members as ongoing process.Safety practices are to be consistently deployed on site till it becomes habit and culture.All involved should demand to be safe and safe working conditions as basic right and cannot be denied.
The conflict occurs at site because of different constraints such as non availability of resources, skills, and pressure of delivery. The project life is very dynamic and complex ,the planned things do not synchronised many times and shortcuts get resorted to to meet the time lines.Here the conflict occurs on account of perception of priorities by the agencies involved and safety gets compromised. In such situations what is needed is a collaboration and collaborative effort fron Safety team, Safety Manager and project team to find out the involved risks in continuing the item of work,what is the way out to do the job in spite of all planned safety is not there, and what can be done to ensure safe delivery or is it must that the safety in totality be in place as planned to work further. This collaborative effort and advice from Safety Mangers end will certainly resolve most of the conflicts at site ,instead of just using VETO to stop the work every time. Both Project Team and Safety manger team should work hand in hand ,seek each others advice with due understanding that Safety is nonnegotiable while delivering projects on cost, schedule quality and estimated margins of profit.This holistic approach only can make the business sustainable and so their employment
As a project Manager one should insist on no constraint on estimated safety resources and need be reflected in the Project Charter. Fortunately safety and safe delivery of the project is such an issue that no top leadership wlll and can say no and deny the budget requirements. and adherence to safety practices/standards/rules and regulations. This becomes very important tool in the hands of Project Manager to plan,ensure and enforce safety as needed.
This is what I have experienced through out my projects.
Trust you may find it useful.
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2 replies by Asif Gul and MARK A ANNUNZIATA, Sr
Oct 24, 2018 3:39 PM
MARK A ANNUNZIATA, Sr
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Mohan-
Thanks for your input.
The Relationship and effectiveness of HSE on any Project is very simply described.

Good HSE and Good Productivity are determined by one person-- The Project Manager- It is his WILLPOWER that prioritizes these goals and makes the Project Team and workers understand these priorities, thus making the Project successful. (all else being equal- procurement, control, and funding)

From the trenches!
M
Oct 25, 2018 1:07 AM
Asif Gul
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Thanks for very detailed view on the matter. But the organisations where HSE is in process of evolution and the safe working practices are comparatively new to common workers, i believe the approach should be to slowly and gradually develop a culture and its implementation should be in steps, raising awareness, importance and benefits of HSE application. You cannot overnight bring all the requirements and changes overnight, otherwise it feels you make hammer out of safety requirements and hitting on peoples head. I hope you all understand what I mean to add here.
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MARK A ANNUNZIATA, Sr VP/EXPERT CONSULTANCY TO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY| ROMAN STRUCTURES, INC WELLINGTON FL Dammam, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia
Oct 24, 2018 2:38 PM
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Yes to manage HSE matters on construction Projects is a very complex and challenging.The challenge comes from People mind . Conviction that safety is mandatory,nonnegotiable,not a cost centre and shall be foundation for every thing that need be done , from all the levels of the organisation, shall decide the success of the project.Top leadership need be willing to pay the appropriate cost of incorporating safety in the elements of project ingradients right from specifications of items.item descriptions/to selection contractors till delivery of the project.This will help the team to eliminate many issues which can lead to safety conflicts during execution arising due to gaps in understanding of the extent of impact of the methodologies followed and expectation of safety performance levels from the stakeholders involved in deliveries.
The issue of authority does arise due to different levels of understanding,sensitivity and ambiguity of ground rules amongst the team and leadership of the organisation. As for poor Quality the 85% of the share goes to top leadership for the poor systems created by them ,for poor safety performance 90 % share goes to top management . The safety rules and practices should evolve not only from regulation but from safety observations done and closed by the team members as ongoing process.Safety practices are to be consistently deployed on site till it becomes habit and culture.All involved should demand to be safe and safe working conditions as basic right and cannot be denied.
The conflict occurs at site because of different constraints such as non availability of resources, skills, and pressure of delivery. The project life is very dynamic and complex ,the planned things do not synchronised many times and shortcuts get resorted to to meet the time lines.Here the conflict occurs on account of perception of priorities by the agencies involved and safety gets compromised. In such situations what is needed is a collaboration and collaborative effort fron Safety team, Safety Manager and project team to find out the involved risks in continuing the item of work,what is the way out to do the job in spite of all planned safety is not there, and what can be done to ensure safe delivery or is it must that the safety in totality be in place as planned to work further. This collaborative effort and advice from Safety Mangers end will certainly resolve most of the conflicts at site ,instead of just using VETO to stop the work every time. Both Project Team and Safety manger team should work hand in hand ,seek each others advice with due understanding that Safety is nonnegotiable while delivering projects on cost, schedule quality and estimated margins of profit.This holistic approach only can make the business sustainable and so their employment
As a project Manager one should insist on no constraint on estimated safety resources and need be reflected in the Project Charter. Fortunately safety and safe delivery of the project is such an issue that no top leadership wlll and can say no and deny the budget requirements. and adherence to safety practices/standards/rules and regulations. This becomes very important tool in the hands of Project Manager to plan,ensure and enforce safety as needed.
This is what I have experienced through out my projects.
Trust you may find it useful.
Mohan-
Thanks for your input.
The Relationship and effectiveness of HSE on any Project is very simply described.

Good HSE and Good Productivity are determined by one person-- The Project Manager- It is his WILLPOWER that prioritizes these goals and makes the Project Team and workers understand these priorities, thus making the Project successful. (all else being equal- procurement, control, and funding)

From the trenches!
M
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Asif Gul Consultant Project Manager| Energoprojekt Entel Muscat, Oman
Oct 24, 2018 11:49 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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Fundamentally, you're talking about requirements, some internally imposed and some externally by regulatory agencies (OSHA, building codes, EPA, NTSB, etc.). Clearly defined requirements, guidance on how to meet them, and up-front compliance planning reduces ambiguity and conflict. Clearly defined RAAs provides improved clarity as to who the decision makers are. Clearly defined conflict resolution processes help address situations where decision makers don't agree. We have very robust processes to address HSE, but we still have a myriad of SMEs with different specialties to help work through the inevitable situations where we are treading new ground, or we encounter conflicts and roadblocks.
Thanks Keith, You made it more clear. I think what we are lacking is defined boundaries and robust systems/ processes to cope these kind of conflicts at work sites.Taking all stakeholders specially HSE team into confidence, meeting their requirements and aligning them to Project objectives is one hell of job, but thats what Project Management is all about.
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Asif Gul Consultant Project Manager| Energoprojekt Entel Muscat, Oman
Oct 24, 2018 2:38 PM
Replying to Mohan Kulkarni
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Yes to manage HSE matters on construction Projects is a very complex and challenging.The challenge comes from People mind . Conviction that safety is mandatory,nonnegotiable,not a cost centre and shall be foundation for every thing that need be done , from all the levels of the organisation, shall decide the success of the project.Top leadership need be willing to pay the appropriate cost of incorporating safety in the elements of project ingradients right from specifications of items.item descriptions/to selection contractors till delivery of the project.This will help the team to eliminate many issues which can lead to safety conflicts during execution arising due to gaps in understanding of the extent of impact of the methodologies followed and expectation of safety performance levels from the stakeholders involved in deliveries.
The issue of authority does arise due to different levels of understanding,sensitivity and ambiguity of ground rules amongst the team and leadership of the organisation. As for poor Quality the 85% of the share goes to top leadership for the poor systems created by them ,for poor safety performance 90 % share goes to top management . The safety rules and practices should evolve not only from regulation but from safety observations done and closed by the team members as ongoing process.Safety practices are to be consistently deployed on site till it becomes habit and culture.All involved should demand to be safe and safe working conditions as basic right and cannot be denied.
The conflict occurs at site because of different constraints such as non availability of resources, skills, and pressure of delivery. The project life is very dynamic and complex ,the planned things do not synchronised many times and shortcuts get resorted to to meet the time lines.Here the conflict occurs on account of perception of priorities by the agencies involved and safety gets compromised. In such situations what is needed is a collaboration and collaborative effort fron Safety team, Safety Manager and project team to find out the involved risks in continuing the item of work,what is the way out to do the job in spite of all planned safety is not there, and what can be done to ensure safe delivery or is it must that the safety in totality be in place as planned to work further. This collaborative effort and advice from Safety Mangers end will certainly resolve most of the conflicts at site ,instead of just using VETO to stop the work every time. Both Project Team and Safety manger team should work hand in hand ,seek each others advice with due understanding that Safety is nonnegotiable while delivering projects on cost, schedule quality and estimated margins of profit.This holistic approach only can make the business sustainable and so their employment
As a project Manager one should insist on no constraint on estimated safety resources and need be reflected in the Project Charter. Fortunately safety and safe delivery of the project is such an issue that no top leadership wlll and can say no and deny the budget requirements. and adherence to safety practices/standards/rules and regulations. This becomes very important tool in the hands of Project Manager to plan,ensure and enforce safety as needed.
This is what I have experienced through out my projects.
Trust you may find it useful.
Thanks for very detailed view on the matter. But the organisations where HSE is in process of evolution and the safe working practices are comparatively new to common workers, i believe the approach should be to slowly and gradually develop a culture and its implementation should be in steps, raising awareness, importance and benefits of HSE application. You cannot overnight bring all the requirements and changes overnight, otherwise it feels you make hammer out of safety requirements and hitting on peoples head. I hope you all understand what I mean to add here.
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
I agree with Mark on this. Safety is more important than anything.
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Percy Katrak Project Manager| Capgemini Houston, Tx, United States
Oct 23, 2018 6:26 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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What does mean HSE?
Health, Safety and Environment.
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Dec 23, 2019 9:22 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Thank you very much Percy.
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RAJESH K L Project Manager, PMP| Bharat Electronics, Bengaluru, India Bengaluru, Karnataka, India
Thanks for sharing the responses
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zhou yang China, Mainland
HSE management,in personnal opinions,the topics including but not limited to flowing 6 aspecs:1.organisation system.2.responsiblities system.3.regulations systems.4. education and trainning system.5. overall evaluation system. 6. risk estimate and evaluate system.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Oct 29, 2018 4:39 PM
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Health, Safety and Environment.
Thank you very much Percy.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
It will depend on organziotional strategy. I worked in the environments you stated and all those attibutes very from organization to organization including it are totally different when the project was run in a country than another.
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