So Riyadh - what happens if you "know" someone and you don't have what is needed to fill the pain points of the organization. That piece of paper and badge doesn't qualify you.
But its what you can do with the knowledge from that Certification. It's like a Professional Athlete drafted in the 1st round. In a few years that free agent who out-worked that "entitled" early pick is now getting the starting role and big contract. Find ways to apply in any fashion any where your marketability with examples of how that certification made a difference.
And Networking is key, even if you CAN make a difference, no one will give you the chance if they don't like, know or buy you in general.
In short - DO BOTH.
William, I like that "The ability to OBTAIN is not as important as the ability to SUSTAIN." but if you don't obtain first so what you sustain ... the discussion behind this is to bring awareness as industry needs to change rapidly I know some started to ask on the job advertisement stating preference will be giving to PMP holders. but I still believe a long way to go some letters are still not known to many HR managers, there should be tangible and intangible values for those letter, I like what Kiron said that it shows that you investing in your self and definitely the benefits will be extended to your organization Saving Changes...
While I agree with my colleagues here, I think it helps on platforms like LinkedIn as many approached me for job offers and teaching classes just by seeing that letter under my name in LinkedIn, so they send an email to inquire then interviewed me so it can be the trigger sometimes.
Rami, I am glad to see your quite motivating feedback and more glad that you are getting knocks on your door. keep it up my friend
I know it is at a time very expensive to pay all renewal fees if you don't have good job (Not all organization pay it specially if they feel it is not in compliance for the job
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Dec 01, 2018 11:55 AM
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Thank Riyadh. Even though I am employed, my company does not pay renewal fees for any of my credentials, I do it on a personal level.
I put my credentials at the end of my resume rather than after my name. Other than online platforms like Rami pointed out, the only thing I would expect behind the name is a PhD, and professional licenses like a PE or an MD.
I do know that for some of my positions, I would not have passed the HR filter without some of those letters like the PMP. From reading tons of resumes on the hiring side of the table, I don't care so much about lots of letters, but a few of the right letters will help me know if the applicant has a good fit for the desired level of experience and skills.
Keith, the PMP is more powerful than the PhD
I had two guys one was MEng and one was recently finished his PhD I couldn't fit them in my project even on jobs which does not require red seal ( we are very regulated here in Canada electrician must be red seal and in some province the electrician must have PSE so that I can hire them to work in my project of erection installation of substation.
PSE = Power System Electrician Saving Changes...
I put my credentials at the end of my resume rather than after my name. Other than online platforms like Rami pointed out, the only thing I would expect behind the name is a PhD, and professional licenses like a PE or an MD.
I do know that for some of my positions, I would not have passed the HR filter without some of those letters like the PMP. From reading tons of resumes on the hiring side of the table, I don't care so much about lots of letters, but a few of the right letters will help me know if the applicant has a good fit for the desired level of experience and skills.
Keith, this is my own consideration about PMP
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1 reply by Keith Novak
Dec 01, 2018 1:00 AM
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Riyadh: I think we mostly agree but are talking from different perspectives
I would rather have someone with great experience on my team where I can hand them a problem and say, "Go fix this" and they can figure out what to do than someone with a PhD and a ton of theoretical experience, who can't jump into a new situation with different people and figure out how to adapt very quickly.
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Alok PriyadarshiProject Manager| Tata Consulting Engineers LimitedJamshedpur, Jharkhand, India
Great discussion. Thanks Riyadh for your question.
Certifications and work experience both are important. Saving Changes...
If relatable and matches the story of one's career and experience, then all good. For instance, I have technical Microsoft certifications. I list them on my resume for context, but other than that, never highlight or mention them.
Andrew, they are like "Joker Card" in your pocket whenever needed you can just take out and .... Saving Changes...
Great discussion, Riyadh. Sometimes, it feels odd to have 25-30 letters beyond the name.
Yes, I do agree that lot of hard work gone in to get those certifications.
In my viewpoint, even adding them in the resume, I would add the relevant ones for the position there rather than adding everything.
Sripriya, thank you for your feedback yes you are doing the right thing most important to be relevant to the whole picture of your context Saving Changes...
Alok, yes and we like to enhance the importance of those hardly gained certifications and educate HR manager accordingly.
Thanks for your support Saving Changes...
Riyadh: I think we mostly agree but are talking from different perspectives
I would rather have someone with great experience on my team where I can hand them a problem and say, "Go fix this" and they can figure out what to do than someone with a PhD and a ton of theoretical experience, who can't jump into a new situation with different people and figure out how to adapt very quickly. Saving Changes...
