There are differences between Planner and Scheduler as far as scope of work some organization have both some only one Planner some don't they expect the Project Manager to do every thing so if you have do they report to you? Saving Changes...
this tends to be common on larger construction or other capital intensive projects, but this is the exception rather than the rule on technology-oriented projects.
Kiron
Kiron, I hear you and kinda different on IT project yes on construction or big project they do exist Saving Changes...
Rami Rami thanks a lot for your feedback I agree with you on big scale yes they do have both positions and PM. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Riyadh
I am not sure - are you asking about the differences between the two or whether we use those positions?
On the question of using these roles - Yes - in past projects we have used both and they are different roles.
However, and as usual, I will offer a contrarian view (maybe some miss my views and others don't) LOL
One of the big issues in PM is the different perspective between those who work on day-to-day business projects or IT/Software projects and those who work on capital projects.
I have work with many companies (clients) and even those who have PMO. In organizations outside the capital project industry; I rarely see those positions - no planners - no schedulers - no cost estimators - no cost or schedule control ------- all of those actions are carried by the project manager.
However, in the capital project industry ------ EVEN on small projects for this industry; we could use both or maybe one person handling both roles. That person could be part-time if the project is too small and could support more than one project in a matrix style structure.
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1 reply by Riyadh Salih
Dec 04, 2018 3:17 PM
Riyadh Salih
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Mounir welcome back such an Honour to see you shining back here after long time.
Thanks for your valued comments I mentioned the difference between both positions in few word as Planner do What scope to do & How to do it the procedure if the job needs scaffoldings for example what tools required, Scheduler do Who will do the job & When the right time to do it if power shutdown needed.
What I was looking here if that they report to Pm and you do have them on the project
I agree with you that even estimator position hard to find though all those roles are very important for big project
This lead me to the question if there was scheduler on the project and he/she carry PMI-SP will he/she be then reporting to the Project Manager whether PM has PMP or not
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Tamer Zeyad SadiqAssistant Cost Manager| Turner & TownsendRiyadh, Ar Riyad, Saudi Arabia
I think as Kiron said depends on complexity projects!!! Saving Changes...
On very large projects, the planner and the scheduler are two very distinct roles. The planner has much more detailed product knowledge, while the scheduler is an expert on the scheduling tools and detail level task sequences.
The planner uses their product knowledge to establish and sequence of the "macro level" steps for lack of a better term. For example: Our project is building a mechanical "thing" The planner establishes when parts and materials must be received to support fabrication at multiple levels. Materials become parts, parts become assemblies, assemblies are joined in a specific sequence, verification testing happens where, these tools are required etc. A scheduler doesn't have the knowledge to lay out those steps as they often involve varied specialty knowledge.
The scheduler is responsible for translating those plans into distinct events in the scheduling system. For one macro level step in the plan, there might be several groups involved with smaller deliverables. Change management has to review and approve a new planned deliverable. The design for that comes from engineering. Specialty functions review and approve the design. Operations assigns personnel and tools to fabricate the design. The change is vaulted in the documentation system, etc. The scheduler would know that for each design change, they need to schedule that series of events for all the supporting groups.
Whether or not they "report" to the PM might be a matter of semantics. Typically their involvement in the project is temporary and so they support either like a functional org, or a lightweight matrix. They most likely won't be "hard lined" to me on an org chart. They might be "dotted lined" to me if they will be supporting for an extended period of time, or they might just be part of a job pool under a functional organization reporting strictly through their own functional management structure.
Mounir welcome back such an Honour to see you shining back here after long time.
Thanks for your valued comments I mentioned the difference between both positions in few word as Planner do What scope to do & How to do it the procedure if the job needs scaffoldings for example what tools required, Scheduler do Who will do the job & When the right time to do it if power shutdown needed.
What I was looking here if that they report to Pm and you do have them on the project
I agree with you that even estimator position hard to find though all those roles are very important for big project
This lead me to the question if there was scheduler on the project and he/she carry PMI-SP will he/she be then reporting to the Project Manager whether PM has PMP or not Saving Changes...
