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Farjad Hasan Project Controls & Risk Manager| Bin Quraya Company Ltd. Saudi Arabia
On an EPC project, the variance has now increased up to (-ve)10%. due to the reason that 90% DEP submission has got delayed from engineering contractor due to the dispute that FEED was done on the basis of 2008 engineering standards but the client want the detailed engineering to proceed as per latest revision of engineering standards.

The project is at some kind of a on-hold situation as the engineering contractor is spending time in studying the impact of change in revisions of the engineering standards.

The client is asking to revise the schedule based on the new date of submission for 90% and IFC engineering deliverable.

The engineering contractor is of the view that the impact could change the whole dynamics of the project and can have the impact on time and money. The impact is not known till the study is completed by engineering contractor.

So in this situation my question is that can we revise the schedule without having known the time & cost impact, also please tell if anyone encountered this detailed engineering situation when basis of FEED was different than DEP?
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I think you will be speculating if you revise the schedule without knowing the Time impact of th change. The proper think to do is assess the impact properly since it seem to be a major one and then reflect that on your cost and schedule baselines following the approval of the change and its impacts by the CCB.
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Dec 05, 2018 5:32 AM
Farjad Hasan
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Thanks Rami, principally impact must be known before it is rescheduled
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Keith Novak Tukwila, Wa, United States
I'm not familiar with all the acronyms you're using but I think I understand the question. Your front end engineering design (i.e. pre-planning) used a set of assumptions that differed from your detailed engineering plan developed later, which resulted in a large variance which I'm assuming is your SPI.

You might develop a notional schedule and identify the critical path(s), but I would absolutely not commit the entire schedule without knowing the impacts to cost and flow. If you are on critical path, you might need to commit certain tasks, as a risk mitigation plan to the entire program schedule in order to make the schedule feasible. We refer to this as "partial-commitment"

Without knowing the impacts, committing to an entirely new schedule involving unknowns can be taking on massive risk. Yes I have encountered this situation many times, and very often we find that the first re-plan reveals new problems that we have to go work before we have a workable plan.
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Dec 05, 2018 6:21 AM
Farjad Hasan
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Hi Keith

Thanks for your comments. I agree that a workable plan needs prior working.

FYI,
FEED is front end engineering design.
DEP is detailed engineering package
IFC is Issued for construction
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Farjad Hasan Project Controls & Risk Manager| Bin Quraya Company Ltd. Saudi Arabia
Dec 04, 2018 11:04 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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I think you will be speculating if you revise the schedule without knowing the Time impact of th change. The proper think to do is assess the impact properly since it seem to be a major one and then reflect that on your cost and schedule baselines following the approval of the change and its impacts by the CCB.
Thanks Rami, principally impact must be known before it is rescheduled
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Farjad Hasan Project Controls & Risk Manager| Bin Quraya Company Ltd. Saudi Arabia
Dec 04, 2018 12:01 PM
Replying to Keith Novak
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I'm not familiar with all the acronyms you're using but I think I understand the question. Your front end engineering design (i.e. pre-planning) used a set of assumptions that differed from your detailed engineering plan developed later, which resulted in a large variance which I'm assuming is your SPI.

You might develop a notional schedule and identify the critical path(s), but I would absolutely not commit the entire schedule without knowing the impacts to cost and flow. If you are on critical path, you might need to commit certain tasks, as a risk mitigation plan to the entire program schedule in order to make the schedule feasible. We refer to this as "partial-commitment"

Without knowing the impacts, committing to an entirely new schedule involving unknowns can be taking on massive risk. Yes I have encountered this situation many times, and very often we find that the first re-plan reveals new problems that we have to go work before we have a workable plan.
Hi Keith

Thanks for your comments. I agree that a workable plan needs prior working.

FYI,
FEED is front end engineering design.
DEP is detailed engineering package
IFC is Issued for construction
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Anton Oosthuizen Senior Business Analyst / Project Manager| Self Employed Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
You probably can reschedule but I would NOT rebaseline the schedule until the analysis results are known and accepted. So effectively you are just checking to see where you will end up if you do reschedule.
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Dec 05, 2018 7:57 AM
Farjad Hasan
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Thanks Anton

That would be more appropriate to reschedule but not re-baseline I think...
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Farjad Hasan Project Controls & Risk Manager| Bin Quraya Company Ltd. Saudi Arabia
Dec 05, 2018 7:25 AM
Replying to Anton Oosthuizen
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You probably can reschedule but I would NOT rebaseline the schedule until the analysis results are known and accepted. So effectively you are just checking to see where you will end up if you do reschedule.
Thanks Anton

That would be more appropriate to reschedule but not re-baseline I think...

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