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It is unwise to pay too much, but it is worse to pay too little?

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Riyadh Salih Saskatchewan, Canada
When you pay too much you loose a little money that's it but when you pay too little you loose everything most of the time because the item you bought was incapable of doing what you intended to use it for.

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Riyadh Salih Saskatchewan, Canada
Dec 19, 2018 8:01 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Riyadh -

Even with the increased information available, rarely do we ever end up paying the perfect amount for a given product because the cost of delay will usually exceed the incremental savings of going from "good price" to "great price".

Purchasing is an exercise in risk management - you can almost always find a cheaper supplier, but how much solution or reputational risk are you willing to accept?

Kiron
Kiron, thanks for your contribution the idea is that we try to optimize the negotiation to win win situation with best price for best good and at the same time we need to look at the big picture of the lead time delivery in time is very important sometimes we pay hotshot but that shows lack of planning.
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Riyadh Salih Saskatchewan, Canada
Dec 19, 2018 8:10 AM
Replying to Joshua Render
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The trick is finding what you need and paying the right amount. We too often think of cost being equal to quality. We justify paying more this way. In some situations that may be true, you get better quality if you spend more.
In other cases, you are overpaying for a brand-name product when the same manufacturer bottles the same stuff up as a generic product. You are paying for a name on a container. The name doesn't really add value outside of a psychological one. Your end result isn't going to care what the box says on it. Well-known companies have taken advantage of their name recognition and charged more for it - despite there not being a difference in many possible product options.
Then there are those times when you pay too little. Sometimes that can be a low-quality item that doesn't meet the needed life expectancy. Other times that can be getting a great product at a bargain price.
The trick is figuring it all out. If I had to choose to overpay or underpay - it would depend on the scenario. Sometimes a cheap failed option may not cause a huge problem and it can be switched out quickly. In those cases, underpaying is probably better. If the cost to replace it includes a high cost outside of the product itself, overpaying for the product would probably be better.
Joshua in some way you are right but those companies they have earned the brand name as a struggle of long years with consistency and the name would give you a sort of warranty

For example Gillette razor you can not compromise on its quality without having your face cut by other razor, same goes with cars / suv you can't compare Maserati Levante with Hyundai
Overall thanks for your comment
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Riyadh Salih Saskatchewan, Canada
Dec 19, 2018 8:10 AM
Replying to Sam Motes
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I agree with Farid and Kiron it is a matter of paying the right amount. It is integral to risk and vendor management. You can always have a vendor under bid to get their foot in the door and then pepper you with issues and additional funding needs that will outpace the higher vendor estimate you passed up. The hardest part is knowing what you are signing off on and that it will meet the needs of project scope related to time, cost and quality.
Sam thanks for your contribution, that's why I try to always do vendor evaluation and benchmark with other users
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Riyadh Salih Saskatchewan, Canada
Dec 19, 2018 11:02 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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I definitely agree with Kiron but as Farid said, it is not a rule of thumb. Sometimes you pay little for some products and they perform as expected. You need to do proper risk assessment X Item for X Amount vs Y Item for Y Amount.
Rami, thanks for your feedback that's why it is always good to do comparative between many vendors and look at past performance.
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Farid Alsakkaf Ships Projects Manager| ADNOC Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Dec 19, 2018 8:10 AM
Replying to Sam Motes
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I agree with Farid and Kiron it is a matter of paying the right amount. It is integral to risk and vendor management. You can always have a vendor under bid to get their foot in the door and then pepper you with issues and additional funding needs that will outpace the higher vendor estimate you passed up. The hardest part is knowing what you are signing off on and that it will meet the needs of project scope related to time, cost and quality.
You said the right thing Sam, it is integral to risk and vendor management. But I would add one more critical thing, .. Planning .. with proper planning we will put procedure on how far and accurate we will verify the quality and how far and accurate we will evaluate and compare the value.
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Farid Alsakkaf Ships Projects Manager| ADNOC Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Dec 19, 2018 8:10 AM
Replying to Joshua Render
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The trick is finding what you need and paying the right amount. We too often think of cost being equal to quality. We justify paying more this way. In some situations that may be true, you get better quality if you spend more.
In other cases, you are overpaying for a brand-name product when the same manufacturer bottles the same stuff up as a generic product. You are paying for a name on a container. The name doesn't really add value outside of a psychological one. Your end result isn't going to care what the box says on it. Well-known companies have taken advantage of their name recognition and charged more for it - despite there not being a difference in many possible product options.
Then there are those times when you pay too little. Sometimes that can be a low-quality item that doesn't meet the needed life expectancy. Other times that can be getting a great product at a bargain price.
The trick is figuring it all out. If I had to choose to overpay or underpay - it would depend on the scenario. Sometimes a cheap failed option may not cause a huge problem and it can be switched out quickly. In those cases, underpaying is probably better. If the cost to replace it includes a high cost outside of the product itself, overpaying for the product would probably be better.
when we say cost equal to quality this leads us to a critical question.. what is quality? is it the stainless steel material the pipe is made from, compared with galvanized steel or is it the convenience of use of the water heater by the end user? in other words .. is it the durability and saving of maintenance cost or is it the convenience of use (user friendly). It is the criteria that we put ahead before we check quality. The value then should be equal to the quality subjected to such evaluation criteria... not more and of course not less.
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Farid Alsakkaf Ships Projects Manager| ADNOC Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Dec 19, 2018 12:40 PM
Replying to Riyadh Salih
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Farid, yes we need to look at the big picture and weigh every thing. Thanks for your participation
Thanks Riyadh
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Riyadh Salih Saskatchewan, Canada
Farid, I really appreciate your support and feedback you've made excellence contributions.
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Anton Oosthuizen Senior Business Analyst / Project Manager| Self Employed Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
Very interesting view. It is human nature for us to expect to pay a market related price for something. I've stopped counting how many times I have tried giving away stuff and nobody would touch it because 'it's too good to be true'. Too much the it is considered a rip off, too little is considered too cheap. While both might be true it is not always the case. Instead of looking at what we pay we should be looking at what we get. Lower prices should never come at the expense of lower quality, except if that is a risk you are willing to accept. There could be a zillion reasons (other than poor quality) why you can get something cheaper. I think as part of good vendor management and product/material selection we will always have pricing as a parameter but it should probably not carry the highest weighting. If you do end up procuring the cheaper options and finds that it cannot do the job you probably have some holes in your selection process.
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Dec 21, 2018 12:55 AM
Riyadh Salih
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Anton, I am so happy for your replies and you have good analytical approach, there is another dark side of the story recently they have conducted a study taking shoes from payless which cost around $35 and replaced all shoes in a high brand fashion name shop with fancy packing and they were sold for $ 400, $550 to $650 it was amazing how the people paid for that this reflect the other psychological illness of some people, however they called them back and they did refund to them but the face expression was so when they told them these shoes from Payless
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Riyadh Salih Saskatchewan, Canada
Dec 21, 2018 12:15 AM
Replying to Anton Oosthuizen
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Very interesting view. It is human nature for us to expect to pay a market related price for something. I've stopped counting how many times I have tried giving away stuff and nobody would touch it because 'it's too good to be true'. Too much the it is considered a rip off, too little is considered too cheap. While both might be true it is not always the case. Instead of looking at what we pay we should be looking at what we get. Lower prices should never come at the expense of lower quality, except if that is a risk you are willing to accept. There could be a zillion reasons (other than poor quality) why you can get something cheaper. I think as part of good vendor management and product/material selection we will always have pricing as a parameter but it should probably not carry the highest weighting. If you do end up procuring the cheaper options and finds that it cannot do the job you probably have some holes in your selection process.
Anton, I am so happy for your replies and you have good analytical approach, there is another dark side of the story recently they have conducted a study taking shoes from payless which cost around $35 and replaced all shoes in a high brand fashion name shop with fancy packing and they were sold for $ 400, $550 to $650 it was amazing how the people paid for that this reflect the other psychological illness of some people, however they called them back and they did refund to them but the face expression was so when they told them these shoes from Payless
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