I hope this question is not too basic. I'm still studying the PMBOK.
But as for now, I still can't understand why the "Approved change requests" are not inputs of Scope and Schedule Control ?
In fact, I'm not quite sure also if the update to documents related to the "approved change requests" are performed inside "Perform integrated change control" or Control Scope or Control Schedule.
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 21, 2019 9:15 AM
Replying to Alexandre Filipiak
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Thanks for your anwsers !
@Sergio : why then do we have scope baseline / schedule baseline and cost baseline as an output of "Control Scope" ? Are they not changed by the "Control Scope" process ?
@Thomas : so do you mean that when the team receives the approved changes in the process "Direct and Manage work", the approved changes are not yet modified in the baseline included in the project management plan ?
Now you are pointed out other thing. Your orginal question was about change request. Change request are not processing in control scope except for creating a change request if it applies after you perform control scope. For other things than processing (implement) a chante request impacted baselines are updated. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 21, 2019 11:07 PM
Replying to Alexandre Filipiak
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@Thomas : Good point. Actually, I don't mind that it is made in parallel with implementation. I was simply wondering in which process the baseline change is done for a change which has "Control Scope" as origin.
Alexander: PMBOK does not follow a projecess life cycle. So, if you are studying for the PMP exam then my recommendation is not fall in the trap. What you are doing here is great because the key to approve the exam is to understand where you are into each situation stated by the exam question. So, if in parellel or not, is up to you the day you have to create/use the project life cycle model that best fits for your initiative. But it is not about the PMBOK. Saving Changes...
Michael DelaneyPartner| Delaney Management LLCWest Chester, Pa, United States
Apr 21, 2019 7:23 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Change requests are approved for implementation. Hence approved CRs are input to the Execution process groups and more specifically the direct and manage project work process for implementation.
Once implemented, they (and their results) are input the control quality process, which in turn feeds into the monitor and control project work process.
Nice explanation Thomas Saving Changes...
Riad AlhammoudProject management| LanganAbu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Hi guys,
I have a question with the same topic. Can we say that change request is a result of wrong cost estimation?. If you have such question from a colleague, how should you respond?
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 22, 2019 2:29 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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We are living in a constant change. Some people use "beautiful and elegants" words like VUCA. So, what does meant "wrong" in a world of constant change?
A change request certainly may be due to an incorrect cost estimation. The response to such a request may depend. If you estimated less people than you found you need, the response may be to figure out how to get it done with less people. If you estimated less concrete than you need, you may need to add more concrete or the project will fall over. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 22, 2019 12:52 PM
Replying to Riad Alhammoud
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Hi guys,
I have a question with the same topic. Can we say that change request is a result of wrong cost estimation?. If you have such question from a colleague, how should you respond?
We are living in a constant change. Some people use "beautiful and elegants" words like VUCA. So, what does meant "wrong" in a world of constant change? Saving Changes...
Notably the fact that :
1) first, the need for change is found during "Control Scope"
2) then we Perform Integrated Change Control to approve the request
3) then we process the approved change accordingly inside "Control Scope" (modification of baseline)
Incidentally, if confirm the idea that "Appoved change request" should be an input of "Control Scope"
Alexandre
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 24, 2019 9:38 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Alexandre, while is up to you, let me say: point 3 is wrong. Why? Because there is no change to process due to there is not approved change request as input. Modifications of baselines is not about a change. Is about to normal modifications related to Control Scope process.
Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Notably the fact that :
1) first, the need for change is found during "Control Scope"
2) then we Perform Integrated Change Control to approve the request
3) then we process the approved change accordingly inside "Control Scope" (modification of baseline)
Incidentally, if confirm the idea that "Appoved change request" should be an input of "Control Scope"
Alexandre
Alexandre, while is up to you, let me say: point 3 is wrong. Why? Because there is no change to process due to there is not approved change request as input. Modifications of baselines is not about a change. Is about to normal modifications related to Control Scope process. Saving Changes...
Well above explanation is great but it doesn't cover the complete scope of the topic.Hence, i think, you should read below article which has put together some facts about the project management & control scope with some real life example.
