Why does Monitor Communications does not have Risk Register as Output?
George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Just as most other Control Processes, why does Monitor Communications does not have Risk Register as an Output?
If Control Schedule has Risk Register as an updated document If Control Costs has Risk Register as an updated document If Control Risks has Risk Register as an updated document If Quality Control has Risk Register as an updated document If Monitor and Control Project Work has Risk Register as an updated document If Control Procurements has Risk Register as an updated document If Control Resources has Risk Register as an updated document If Monitor Stakeholder Engagement has Risk Register as an updated document
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Monitor Communications has Project Management Plan Updates as an output. The project management plan includes the risk register, so updates to the risk register are an indentured output of monitoring communications.
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1 reply by George Lewis
Apr 23, 2019 12:02 AM
George Lewis
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Hi Keith - thanks for your reply, but you may want to check "Table 4-1. Project Management Plan and Project Documents", Risk Register is a project document, not a Project Management Plan document.
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Gordon AlexanderSenior Principal - Global Programme Director| IndepndentChelmsford, Essex, United Kingdom
Hi George, I think you'll find that anything that has monitor in the process will not have any register as an output since most registers have their own defined processes, like risk, change dependency etc. Therefore these are not outputs of the monitor process but the management of the individual processes they are aligned to.
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1 reply by George Lewis
Apr 23, 2019 12:08 AM
George Lewis
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Gordon, thanks for your reply but Risk Register is listed as outputs of 18 Processes, 22 if you include the 4 Risk Management processes where it's listed as an output... (the count could be wrong, some can give the exact count if want to :) )
But what's definitely not wrong is that Risk Register is listed as an output of 8 of the Monitor and Control processes as Project Document Updates... Schedule Cost Risk Quality Integration Procurements Resources Stakeholder
All except Monitor Communications and Control Scope.
Someone must be able to give a logical thought of this...
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Apr 22, 2019 7:14 PM
Replying to Keith Novak
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Monitor Communications has Project Management Plan Updates as an output. The project management plan includes the risk register, so updates to the risk register are an indentured output of monitoring communications.
Hi Keith - thanks for your reply, but you may want to check "Table 4-1. Project Management Plan and Project Documents", Risk Register is a project document, not a Project Management Plan document.
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1 reply by Keith Novak
Apr 23, 2019 10:47 AM
Keith Novak
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George,
Respectfully, your phrase, "Project Management Plan document" does not occur together anywhere in the PMBoK, so splitting hairs over the definition of a phrase which does not have a formal definition is arbitrary.
The phrase Project Management Business Documents does appear in section 1.2.6 Where Table 1-5 includes "Project benefits management plan: The documented explanation defining the processes for creating, maximizing, and sustaining the benefits provided by a project."
Risk management involves both maximizing, and sustaining the project benefits and Table 4-1 explicitly contains a list of subsidiary plans including the Risk Management Plan, and the risk register as a project document.
As for a *logical answer* to your original question, we can apply set theory (a branch of mathematical logic) and show that: Since the register is a subset of the subsidiary plan, and that subsidiary plan is a subset of the PM plan, then it is also true that the register is a subset of the PM plan, thus the register is a project management plan document (however you wish to define those terms). QED ;-)
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Apr 22, 2019 9:06 PM
Replying to Gordon Alexander
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Hi George, I think you'll find that anything that has monitor in the process will not have any register as an output since most registers have their own defined processes, like risk, change dependency etc. Therefore these are not outputs of the monitor process but the management of the individual processes they are aligned to.
Gordon, thanks for your reply but Risk Register is listed as outputs of 18 Processes, 22 if you include the 4 Risk Management processes where it's listed as an output... (the count could be wrong, some can give the exact count if want to :) )
But what's definitely not wrong is that Risk Register is listed as an output of 8 of the Monitor and Control processes as Project Document Updates... Schedule Cost Risk Quality Integration Procurements Resources Stakeholder
All except Monitor Communications and Control Scope.
Someone must be able to give a logical thought of this... Saving Changes...
George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Hope someone can help me with an logical explanation... Saving Changes...
Hi Keith - thanks for your reply, but you may want to check "Table 4-1. Project Management Plan and Project Documents", Risk Register is a project document, not a Project Management Plan document.
George,
Respectfully, your phrase, "Project Management Plan document" does not occur together anywhere in the PMBoK, so splitting hairs over the definition of a phrase which does not have a formal definition is arbitrary.
The phrase Project Management Business Documents does appear in section 1.2.6 Where Table 1-5 includes "Project benefits management plan: The documented explanation defining the processes for creating, maximizing, and sustaining the benefits provided by a project."
Risk management involves both maximizing, and sustaining the project benefits and Table 4-1 explicitly contains a list of subsidiary plans including the Risk Management Plan, and the risk register as a project document.
As for a *logical answer* to your original question, we can apply set theory (a branch of mathematical logic) and show that: Since the register is a subset of the subsidiary plan, and that subsidiary plan is a subset of the PM plan, then it is also true that the register is a subset of the PM plan, thus the register is a project management plan document (however you wish to define those terms). QED ;-)
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1 reply by George Lewis
Apr 23, 2019 10:54 AM
George Lewis
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Keith- again, I wait for another reply thanks...
For the record. Table 4-1. Project Management Plan and Project Documents Pag. 89
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Apr 23, 2019 10:47 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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George,
Respectfully, your phrase, "Project Management Plan document" does not occur together anywhere in the PMBoK, so splitting hairs over the definition of a phrase which does not have a formal definition is arbitrary.
The phrase Project Management Business Documents does appear in section 1.2.6 Where Table 1-5 includes "Project benefits management plan: The documented explanation defining the processes for creating, maximizing, and sustaining the benefits provided by a project."
Risk management involves both maximizing, and sustaining the project benefits and Table 4-1 explicitly contains a list of subsidiary plans including the Risk Management Plan, and the risk register as a project document.
As for a *logical answer* to your original question, we can apply set theory (a branch of mathematical logic) and show that: Since the register is a subset of the subsidiary plan, and that subsidiary plan is a subset of the PM plan, then it is also true that the register is a subset of the PM plan, thus the register is a project management plan document (however you wish to define those terms). QED ;-)
Keith- again, I wait for another reply thanks...
For the record. Table 4-1. Project Management Plan and Project Documents Pag. 89 Saving Changes...
