In this respect, I felt that Andy Jordan's article on the relative contribution of leadership and management to the project manager's job gave a more nuanced perspective on the triangle:
https://www.projectmanagement.com/articles...ip-Mean-to-PMs-
Although leadership and management cover a lot of my project manager's hats, I feel that there is an analytical and troubleshooting component to my work that does not fit well into these categories or the Iron Triangle. I would like to have a neat label for that component too. Saving Changes...
Deepesh RammoorthyICT Project Manager ( PMP®AgilePM®Certified ScrumMaster® (CSM®))| Australian Red Cross Blood ServiceTarneit, Vic, Australia
Or the Quadrilateral if you include Quality
Yes , definitely more complex because of the 3 Ps - People, Politics and Processes involved Saving Changes...
Gordon AlexanderSenior Principal - Global Programme Director| IndepndentChelmsford, Essex, United Kingdom
I completely agree Shadav, the Time, cost, Quality and Scope triangle is a 10,000foot view, once you start looking into these 4 elements you end up with 700 pages of PMBOK guide to actually deal with at ground level just to manage these. Saving Changes...
Yes, definitely can be more complicated. Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
The one's complexity is the other's simplicity (Give your grandma an Iphone).
Complexity only exists in the observer's perception and capabilities. Once you change both, there is no complexity.
Complexity is NOT a characteristic of a system, project or problem.
...
2 replies by Alok Priyadarshi and Steve Ratkaj
Apr 29, 2019 11:17 AM
Alok Priyadarshi
...
Hi Thomas,
I agree with you. By enlarging our views and improving our capabilities there is greater chance to overcome the project complexities. But it doesn't come overnight.
Thank you!!
Apr 29, 2019 2:59 PM
Steve Ratkaj
...
There is complex and complicated. The world around us is exceedingly complex. It is unlikely that as mere human beings we can ever begin to understand everything there is to know, but God knows...
Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Of course, there are multiple variables in a project. It really boils down to those that have been chosen to measure project success.
For example, project team morale is not usually part of the project success criteria. Should it be? If so, you should measure and report on it. Saving Changes...
Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Yes, but the Iron Triangle is still a good metaphor when you need to negotiate with stakeholders. Elementary geometry teaches that you can't change one side of a triangle without affecting the other sides. When you use this as the basis for your negotiations, most people will understand. Projects are complex, but you need to present them in simple terms.
You want to move the deadline? We'll need more money, or reduced scope/quality.
You want a smaller budget? You'll need a smaller scope/quality. Saving Changes...
Alok PriyadarshiProject Manager| Tata Consulting Engineers LimitedJamshedpur, Jharkhand, India
Apr 29, 2019 7:54 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
...
The one's complexity is the other's simplicity (Give your grandma an Iphone).
Complexity only exists in the observer's perception and capabilities. Once you change both, there is no complexity.
Complexity is NOT a characteristic of a system, project or problem.
Hi Thomas,
I agree with you. By enlarging our views and improving our capabilities there is greater chance to overcome the project complexities. But it doesn't come overnight.
Thank you!! Saving Changes...
The one's complexity is the other's simplicity (Give your grandma an Iphone).
Complexity only exists in the observer's perception and capabilities. Once you change both, there is no complexity.
Complexity is NOT a characteristic of a system, project or problem.
There is complex and complicated. The world around us is exceedingly complex. It is unlikely that as mere human beings we can ever begin to understand everything there is to know, but God knows... Saving Changes...
