Project Manager / Scrum Master / Agile Coach Career Path
DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
I am working on differentiate the career path for these 3 roles, I appreciate if you can give me some feedback about each one . My main points about are
Project Manager. The basic career path is differentiate the projects that I can give to different PM leval. I have junior and senior PMs and I assign projects acoording to complexity , butget and business Impact. On the other hand I have a career step for program manager and portfolio manager. At the top of this level I can draw aPMO Leader/Director for those who wants this path. Some PM are good candidates for Functional areas and strategic areas in the business.
Agile Coach. I di not find any career path for this role in the organization. this role helps the organization to adop different frameworks and work practices to align the organization to an agile environment. Once in an agile coach function I am not finding any career path.
Scrum Master. Usually they want to continuo being facilitator and having funtions in teams to develop and helps in the team maturity level. I am not finding this role a good candidate for managers or PM. So I only have the choice to offer them some Agile coach positions.
do you have others ideas about the career path for them? Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Hi Dora,
instead of creating 3 professional career paths, you could think about one with several pathways. With hybrid usages growing, a project manager could be working as a scrum master or agile coach for some time. You already have several specialties and job roles listed under PM. I could think about even more - like business analyst, estimator, scheduler, leadership coach, test manager, quality assurer.
For example, a PMO leader nowadays certainly has to understand all value delivery methods used in a company.
My personal path was PM - senior PM - PMO lead - quality assurer (as part of PMO) - program manager. A next step in the career depends much on the opportunities/needs arising.
Also, having only one career path, it can be better positioned within HR and in contrast to other professions. At IBM, PM was positioned between management and specialist career paths.
Leadership/personality development I think should be a big part of a PM career.
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1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 03, 2019 10:19 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
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thanks very interesting point. what is happenning now is seeing 3 roles complete different and with different perspectives without transitions from one to another. for example saying that a PM is not able to do a scrum master functions.
Have you considered how paths overlap? I can see skills and learning that would be common to two or even all three of the paths. You may want to break the paths down into competencies.
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1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 03, 2019 10:19 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
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thanks very good point to work around competences level
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DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 03, 2019 1:32 AM
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Hi Dora,
instead of creating 3 professional career paths, you could think about one with several pathways. With hybrid usages growing, a project manager could be working as a scrum master or agile coach for some time. You already have several specialties and job roles listed under PM. I could think about even more - like business analyst, estimator, scheduler, leadership coach, test manager, quality assurer.
For example, a PMO leader nowadays certainly has to understand all value delivery methods used in a company.
My personal path was PM - senior PM - PMO lead - quality assurer (as part of PMO) - program manager. A next step in the career depends much on the opportunities/needs arising.
Also, having only one career path, it can be better positioned within HR and in contrast to other professions. At IBM, PM was positioned between management and specialist career paths.
Leadership/personality development I think should be a big part of a PM career.
thanks very interesting point. what is happenning now is seeing 3 roles complete different and with different perspectives without transitions from one to another. for example saying that a PM is not able to do a scrum master functions.
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1 reply by Thomas Walenta
Jul 04, 2019 1:14 AM
Thomas Walenta
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Sounds arrogant. Why should a project manager not be able to pass a 2 day scrum master class, many do. And servant leadership is a prevailing mindset anyhow.
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DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Have you considered how paths overlap? I can see skills and learning that would be common to two or even all three of the paths. You may want to break the paths down into competencies.
thanks very good point to work around competences level Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Jul 03, 2019 10:19 PM
Replying to DORA LUZ Mejia
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thanks very interesting point. what is happenning now is seeing 3 roles complete different and with different perspectives without transitions from one to another. for example saying that a PM is not able to do a scrum master functions.
Sounds arrogant. Why should a project manager not be able to pass a 2 day scrum master class, many do. And servant leadership is a prevailing mindset anyhow.
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1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 07, 2019 1:19 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
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Agree that the PM can be a scrum master or agile coach, but the scrum (without PM expertice and knowledge cannot be a PM) and usually and agile coach is a different function in organizations that are having this role
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Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
What is the rationale or value in siloing these roles? Seems more valuable to the organization and individual to focus on competencies, as Stephane mentioned. Additionally, with the amount of overlap in the roles, siloing seems counter-intuitive.
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1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 07, 2019 1:20 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
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thanks for giving this feedback.. have you found any sample of study about competences of agile coach?
All skills are valuable, especially having working experience in that roles.
But be careful in taking on such roles in a project (partly) as the same person. That does not really work out. Saving Changes...
DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 04, 2019 1:14 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Sounds arrogant. Why should a project manager not be able to pass a 2 day scrum master class, many do. And servant leadership is a prevailing mindset anyhow.
Agree that the PM can be a scrum master or agile coach, but the scrum (without PM expertice and knowledge cannot be a PM) and usually and agile coach is a different function in organizations that are having this role Saving Changes...
DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 05, 2019 8:36 AM
Replying to Drew Craig
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What is the rationale or value in siloing these roles? Seems more valuable to the organization and individual to focus on competencies, as Stephane mentioned. Additionally, with the amount of overlap in the roles, siloing seems counter-intuitive.
thanks for giving this feedback.. have you found any sample of study about competences of agile coach? Saving Changes...
Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Also, be careful not to think of career paths as a ladder that must be climbed in order to succeed. A project manager can have a very good career and never manage a PMO. Indeed, there are some very successful project managers who manage 1 large project at a time, and a common PMO role would be a step backwards in their career.
Similarly, I know some scrum masters who have been scrum masters for decades. They are very good at their jobs and they work with 1 team or 1 product at a time, and they have no need to change job titles. Some scrum masters will go on to train other scrum masters or become agile coaches, but not all of them have this desire. Also, not all agile coaches start as scrum masters, they could come from a different background or another framework.
And with the nature of change, there may yet be a new role that attracts all of these people in the coming years.
Out of curiosity, why do you ask? Are you looking to advance your own career, or are you creating a career map for another pupose?
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1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 08, 2019 8:20 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
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thanks for your great contribution about.
I am reviewing the current roles to define if we need to integrate or define a career path for each of them.
I am not big fan of having the 3 roles , and the discussion about the competences franmework is very interesing to try to evaluate the situation around the competences level.