DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
How do you manage when you need to start very fast the project and the time to deliver is very limited and you do not have time enough to build the vendor sow? do you use a some kind of light sow? any advice? Saving Changes...
Anton OosthuizenSenior Business Analyst / Project Manager| Self EmployedPretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
Dora
It would depend on
a) if whatever you use communicates to the vendor what needs to be delivered clearly. The whole idea behind an SOW is to provide a clear and concise scope that needs to be delivered by a particular vendor.
b) agreement from the vendor. Obviously, they would only agree if they understand what needs to be delivered and what not.
Keep in mind that a 'lighter' SOW must mean unclear. You can remove details from a specific vendor SOW if those details are common to the project as a whole in which case you can just reference the project plan (or whatever relevant document)
...
1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 26, 2019 8:31 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
...
thanks I am trying to consolidadte a basic sow with the general scope deliverables, time frame and acceptance criteria , the vendor is not adding the scope in detail and we are discussing about how to manage the change request if we are not going to have time to make a detail analysis before signing the sow.
Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Call it as you like but the important things are: 1-remember that product requirements must be used to define project requirements. 2-do not forget to take a look to Barry Bohem´s Cone of Uncertainty to stay clear about the amount of information (product requirements) and its ambiguity will impact all you define for the project (project requirements). 3-is critical to agree the project change management process, which will be the accountability and responsabilities for each part. 4-define as clear as you can the roles and responsabilities and assign a person to each one. 5-all your work must be driven for risk identification as much as you can because the situation I described in point 1.
...
1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 26, 2019 8:33 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
...
thanks pretty clear the point is we only have 4 months to deliver the first product and we are not going to have a detailsscope analysis to sign the sow
Many things would influence the level of detail required.
Comment by Anton and Sergio still apply. Here are a few questions that could influence the level of detail, not saying it is a good practice to have a limited SOW.
Is the client internal?
Is it a client we have done many projects with?
How was project closure, if it is a known client?
What is in the contract? in the RFP?
...
1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 26, 2019 8:35 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
...
s the client internal? both internal and external
Is it a client we have done many projects with? yes both my internal client and my vendor are both with a long relationship but also with a good track of failed projects because the same situation.
How was project closure, if it is a known client?
What is in the contract? in the RFP? nop, we only have one single vendor.
Dora,
The need to start a project when there are some significant uncertainty in the SOW is not uncommon. It simply means you are taking on risk, and without risk there would be no need for PMs. The good news is that you already know something is driving your need to start immediately. This is better than finding out 2 months in, that you are now 2 months late.
Developing a SOW usually stars with a high level plan, and detail is added as you develop the WBS. The high level SOW is essential to define your scope and understand the various pieces you will need to integrate. Examining the high level SOW, you can put some rough estimates together as to when those activities need to occur, allowing you to develop a rough schedule and priorities.
In addition to the high level plan, you already know at least one significant schedule risk which is driving your early start date. To mitigate that risk, I would put as much detail as possible into whatever it is on the critical path you have identified that is driving that early start. The ambiguity in other parts of the SOW drives risk that you will need to alter the critical path as new information becomes known, but that is better than not having a project at all.
...
1 reply by DORA LUZ Mejia
Jul 26, 2019 8:33 PM
DORA LUZ Mejia
...
I like your comment, maybe the sponsor do not need a PM and I am in the wrong project..
Saving Changes...
DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 26, 2019 2:34 AM
Replying to Anton Oosthuizen
...
Dora
It would depend on
a) if whatever you use communicates to the vendor what needs to be delivered clearly. The whole idea behind an SOW is to provide a clear and concise scope that needs to be delivered by a particular vendor.
b) agreement from the vendor. Obviously, they would only agree if they understand what needs to be delivered and what not.
Keep in mind that a 'lighter' SOW must mean unclear. You can remove details from a specific vendor SOW if those details are common to the project as a whole in which case you can just reference the project plan (or whatever relevant document)
thanks I am trying to consolidadte a basic sow with the general scope deliverables, time frame and acceptance criteria , the vendor is not adding the scope in detail and we are discussing about how to manage the change request if we are not going to have time to make a detail analysis before signing the sow. Saving Changes...
DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 26, 2019 9:57 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
...
Call it as you like but the important things are: 1-remember that product requirements must be used to define project requirements. 2-do not forget to take a look to Barry Bohem´s Cone of Uncertainty to stay clear about the amount of information (product requirements) and its ambiguity will impact all you define for the project (project requirements). 3-is critical to agree the project change management process, which will be the accountability and responsabilities for each part. 4-define as clear as you can the roles and responsabilities and assign a person to each one. 5-all your work must be driven for risk identification as much as you can because the situation I described in point 1.
thanks pretty clear the point is we only have 4 months to deliver the first product and we are not going to have a detailsscope analysis to sign the sow
...
1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Jul 27, 2019 8:13 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
...
the history of my life. my recommendation is putting clear the project change management process, mainly the impacts of each change when it arrives.
Saving Changes...
DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 26, 2019 10:32 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
...
Dora,
The need to start a project when there are some significant uncertainty in the SOW is not uncommon. It simply means you are taking on risk, and without risk there would be no need for PMs. The good news is that you already know something is driving your need to start immediately. This is better than finding out 2 months in, that you are now 2 months late.
Developing a SOW usually stars with a high level plan, and detail is added as you develop the WBS. The high level SOW is essential to define your scope and understand the various pieces you will need to integrate. Examining the high level SOW, you can put some rough estimates together as to when those activities need to occur, allowing you to develop a rough schedule and priorities.
In addition to the high level plan, you already know at least one significant schedule risk which is driving your early start date. To mitigate that risk, I would put as much detail as possible into whatever it is on the critical path you have identified that is driving that early start. The ambiguity in other parts of the SOW drives risk that you will need to alter the critical path as new information becomes known, but that is better than not having a project at all.
I like your comment, maybe the sponsor do not need a PM and I am in the wrong project..
...
1 reply by Keith Novak
Jul 28, 2019 7:02 PM
Keith Novak
...
I wouldn't say that it doesn't need a PM although I don't really know anything about the project. It sounds like it does require a PM who can plan right-to-left as well as left-to-right in terms of the schedule timeline..
Jumping into a project that is already in trouble is certainly more stressful than developing a solid plan up front, and managing to the plan. Instead the PM has to figure out what needs to be done immediately, and the plan has to catch up with the work. That front-loads a lot of work, cost, and risk.
In my own career, I am often assigned to urgent projects that start by developing a recovery plan. In most cases, I find these more a leadership than a technical challenge. The PM must quickly assemble a team, and get them pointed in the same general direction. Once the right people are fully engaged, they will invariably come up with a better plan than mine. The key is getting them engaged early so they will create their own plan and take ownership of it.
Saving Changes...
DORA LUZ MejiaCEO| IT ExploreEnvigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 26, 2019 10:26 AM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
...
Many things would influence the level of detail required.
Comment by Anton and Sergio still apply. Here are a few questions that could influence the level of detail, not saying it is a good practice to have a limited SOW.
Is the client internal?
Is it a client we have done many projects with?
How was project closure, if it is a known client?
What is in the contract? in the RFP?
s the client internal? both internal and external
Is it a client we have done many projects with? yes both my internal client and my vendor are both with a long relationship but also with a good track of failed projects because the same situation.
How was project closure, if it is a known client?
What is in the contract? in the RFP? nop, we only have one single vendor.
...
1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Jul 27, 2019 9:18 AM
Vincent Guerard
...
Dora,
I think you have your answer in a lesson learned "a good track of failed projects because the same situation"
You should make a SOW that will prevent the situation from repeating itself.
Saving Changes...
Muhammad Arif NurrohmanPMO Support Access Supervisor| PT Mora Telematika IndonesiaBogor Residence, West Java, Indonesia
Definitely SOW is one of important activity on the project. If you didn't early, it will become likely a time bomb. Yes correct I agree with you if sometimes we don't have time to set up this one. So, what the solution? If you have vendor (internal contractor) or existing contractor from the previous project with good performance, you can use it. This all about how put best strategy to make agile in the project. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 26, 2019 8:33 PM
Replying to DORA LUZ Mejia
...
thanks pretty clear the point is we only have 4 months to deliver the first product and we are not going to have a detailsscope analysis to sign the sow
the history of my life. my recommendation is putting clear the project change management process, mainly the impacts of each change when it arrives. Saving Changes...