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Schedule, budget and scope aren't the only measures of success for new cities.

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Aaron Smith Editor - ProjectManagement.com | PMI| PMI Los Angeles, Ca, United States
As city populations swell—and the pressure on those infrastructure systems follows suit—more project sponsors are launching ambitious initiatives to build new cities from scratch. Check out this PM Network feature: https://www.projectmanagement.com/articles...ommercial-Needs
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Just to remember the difference between product and project. Business Analyst and BRM are accountable for the product. Project Manager is accountable for the project which is the process to create the defined product. From product definition all related to project is defined. The value the project manager adds to the process is to manage a project which is defined in accordance with the product. It does mean to create the product as defined (project quality), in the time needed (project time), with the expected costs (project costs). All this stuff is the project scope. Project manager is not accountable for product definition.
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Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani Manager, Quality and Continuous Improvement| Hörmann-TNR Industrial Doors Newmarket, Ontario, Canada
Agree with Sergio
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
Building cities are certainly challenging. From the sheer size of the scope to trying to achieve the population objectives, these are projects for hard-core project managers.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Agree with Sergio.

Want to add that if you want to focus on value as an outcome of the endavor, a BA can create a business case and suggest a solution. A program manager is the role that can deliver the value through benefits described in the business case, using projects run by project managers.

Sometimes project managers are asked to deliver benefits and take the role of a program manager, but they mostly are not trained not do they have the required mindset to succeed.
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Vincent Guerard Coach - Trainer - Speaker - Advisor| Freelance Mont-Royal, Quebec, Canada
Build a new city is a program.

A series of projects that projects managers are going to deliver the products specified. It will certainly be challenging. Remember that the project is not defined by the project manager. Is the project to deliver what is required that is another story. I find that the failure is often not the project but the product, specially in urban projects.

Agree with Sergio Comment and the addition of Thomas
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Aaron Smith Editor - ProjectManagement.com | PMI| PMI Los Angeles, Ca, United States
Appreciate the expertise here, and the important distinctions made about product vs. project vs. program in relation to the role of project manager. But the discussion topic starter here was meant to be a look at how project sponsors and stakeholders are defining success for these highly complex efforts to build new cities.
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Aug 18, 2019 7:13 AM
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I understood. But there is no difference with other type of product to create. Everything is about quality and quality principles stated long time ago by pepople like Juran. Problem is most of the times are forgotten.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I agree with my fellow colleagues here but when it comes to building cities, then besides Budget - Scope - Schedule, you need to see if you are creating value and achieving the benefits but putting a benefits realization plan against which their success will be measured.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Aug 17, 2019 8:10 PM
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Appreciate the expertise here, and the important distinctions made about product vs. project vs. program in relation to the role of project manager. But the discussion topic starter here was meant to be a look at how project sponsors and stakeholders are defining success for these highly complex efforts to build new cities.
I understood. But there is no difference with other type of product to create. Everything is about quality and quality principles stated long time ago by pepople like Juran. Problem is most of the times are forgotten.

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