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How many people hold all the PMI certifications?

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Bharatkumar Unercat FOUNDER AND CEO| A2Z STRATEGY SAATHI Mumbai, India
PMI conducts 8 certifications out of which 7 are professional/practitioner and one is certified associate. Any idea as to how many people hold all 7 Professional/Practitioner certifications?
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 17, 2019 5:43 PM
Replying to Drew Craig
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Everyone, please. Each individual has different motivations and drivers. It is unprofessional to project one's perspective or assumptions on others. Simply b/c one doesn't care to have multiple certifications does not afford them the opportunity to second guess why others wish to expand their professional development activities.
Very well said Andrew, totally agree - I am really surprised, actually very surprised.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Nov 18, 2019 4:00 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
I have you as a reference in this community
I confess that I was surprised by your comment: "Very well said Andrew, totalyl agree"
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Rami Kaibni
Community Champion
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 17, 2019 6:54 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Rami:
Thanks for asking these questions: "Collecting Certificates? Do you really think this is what Bharat meant?"

Have you had a chance to read the message exchange between me and Bharatkumar?
All messages exchanged?

What does it mean to you, what I wrote in our message exchange?
"We agree with: Each one chooses his own way and the best attitude is to accept, respect and value the way each one chooses for himself."

A value judgment? A trial?

Or, on the contrary, acceptance, respect and appreciation?
Luis

Your statement: "We agree with: Each one chooses his own way and the best attitude is to accept, respect and value the way each one chooses for himself." - It means respect and appreciation but what surprised me is your other statement and the fact that you were sarcastic about people who have multiple certifications and calling it Certification Collection.

RK
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Nov 18, 2019 3:14 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
Thanks for your comment.

What makes you think I was sarcastic?

Analyze well in what context I wrote the two words you refer to: "I confess I was surprised by the question

For me the most important thing is the journey (learning) and not the destination (certificates)

It never crossed my mind that there were people collecting certificates :-) "

Only after I wrote: "Dear Bharatkumar
People who have many certificates can answer your question better than me, "Why so many certifications?"

You can even do a study on the subject: "What leads people to have so many certifications? The knowledge gained (journey) or the certificates obtained? (Destiny)" I went to see Bharatkumar's profile and found that he has many certifications
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 17, 2019 7:29 PM
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Luis

Your statement: "We agree with: Each one chooses his own way and the best attitude is to accept, respect and value the way each one chooses for himself." - It means respect and appreciation but what surprised me is your other statement and the fact that you were sarcastic about people who have multiple certifications and calling it Certification Collection.

RK
Dear Rami
Thanks for your comment.

What makes you think I was sarcastic?

Analyze well in what context I wrote the two words you refer to: "I confess I was surprised by the question

For me the most important thing is the journey (learning) and not the destination (certificates)

It never crossed my mind that there were people collecting certificates :-) "

Only after I wrote: "Dear Bharatkumar
People who have many certificates can answer your question better than me, "Why so many certifications?"

You can even do a study on the subject: "What leads people to have so many certifications? The knowledge gained (journey) or the certificates obtained? (Destiny)" I went to see Bharatkumar's profile and found that he has many certifications
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 17, 2019 7:25 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Very well said Andrew, totally agree - I am really surprised, actually very surprised.
Dear Rami
I have you as a reference in this community
I confess that I was surprised by your comment: "Very well said Andrew, totalyl agree"
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 18, 2019 11:01 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Luis

I appreciate that and I consider you a valued member of this community.

I don’t know why is it surprising to you that I agree with Andrew or why you even question that. He is not addressing this to a specific individual and he is totally right about what he said: If someone doesn’t have certifications for any reason, they don’t get to judge others because they do.

If you disagree with him, that doesn’t mean I should too and I trust he clarified his statement that he didn’t address it to you or any individual but his comment was very general and so was mine. When you enter into discussion like these with professionals, you can’t take things personal because there is nothing personal unless for some reason it becomes personal.

Different point of views and constructive arguments are always good as long as they remain within the level of ethics and respect to one another.

RK
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Nilesh Maniar Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
For me personally, I found PMP certification useful. I was thinking about RMP, however I feel we can always keep learning and still not give these certifications as practicing is more important then certification.
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Drew Craig Sr. Agile & Product Coach| Vanguard Philadelphia, Pa, United States
Nov 17, 2019 7:07 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Andrew:
Interesting your comment

You wrote: "It is unprofessional to project one's perspective or assumptions on others"

It referred to me and the messages I exchanged with the
Bharatkumar?

What you wrote about my messages can be considered a value judgment?

What does it mean to you what I wrote in Bharatkumar message exchange?
- "We agree with: Each one chooses his own way and the best attitude is to accept, respect and value the way each one chooses for himself."
Luis - my response clearly was not directed at any one individual, but rather as a recognition that this thread was heading in the wrong direction. Thanks.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Nov 18, 2019 8:09 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Andrew
Thank you for your clarification

Interestingly I got the feeling that was addressing me

Your observation comes after the exchange of views between me and Bharatkumar ended cordially.

How can you infer: "but rather as a recognition that this thread was heading in the wrong direction"?
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 18, 2019 7:33 AM
Replying to Drew Craig
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Luis - my response clearly was not directed at any one individual, but rather as a recognition that this thread was heading in the wrong direction. Thanks.
Dear Andrew
Thank you for your clarification

Interestingly I got the feeling that was addressing me

Your observation comes after the exchange of views between me and Bharatkumar ended cordially.

How can you infer: "but rather as a recognition that this thread was heading in the wrong direction"?
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Vladimir Liberzon R&D Director| Spider Project Team Moscow, Russian Federation
Nov 17, 2019 3:05 PM
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Vladimir

I respect your point of view even though I beg to disagree with you. Do you really think that by having the PMP, you know everything related to project management ? This is true if your future plans evolves around staying as a project manager.

The world of business and management is rapidly evolving. Business Analysis, Portfolio Management, Program Management, Agile, Role of PMO’s is evolving and spreading like fire in a wild bush so while I understand that the certificate is not the purpose, it is the journey and knowledge that are very important. I can personally talk about myself and how much this knowledge helped me progress in my career, helped me take part in growing the profession and others.

I wrote an article once about the added value of certifications, you might want to check it out:

https://www.knowledgehut.com/blog/agile/th...-certifications

There will be another article coming up soon that tackles how each of the certifications I acquired over the years helped me grow as a professional and person.

By the way, I am not trying to defend anyone here but Bharat is one of the very few people who takes knowledge and volunteer to help others free of charge. At some point, Bharat helped me out voluntarily and I do not even know him in person so we got to have some respect for professionals who learn and help spread this knowledge.

Most people keep knowledge for themselves, and when asked, they are ready to help for something else in return.

RK
Hi Rami,
it looks as if I was misunderstood.
I have nothing against people who passed many certifications.
I am just curious about their motives.
I am involved in everything that you mentioned (program and portfolio management, business analysis, etc.) but I don't understand what can I get with any new certification from PMI.
And so my question was about the value of multiple certifications. People spend time and money to get new certificates for what? Does it help for promotion and finding customers or what?
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 18, 2019 11:07 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Vladimir

Thank you for your kind clarification - It’s totally fine, and that’s why we have a discussion so we try to understand each other’s point of view, clarify them and reach to a happy medium.

Regarding certifications, and I can talk about me personally, I did benefit from those on many levels (Please refer to my article in the previous comments as I mention in it what did I benefit from some of my certifications) but in summary:

1- Some certifications like Business Analysis and Agile opened my eyes to new things and ideas of which applied in the work I do and they were very successful.

2- Helped me grow as an individual and professional. For me, for anyone who is committed to his career, professional development is important as it helps you stay on top of things and up to date. You do not need to master everything but knowledge is as important as experience is and both work together.

I can keep going and going but will write an article about this soon. The idea is not with the certificate, the idea is with the journey itself. I hope I was able to convey my point of view clearly. If not, please feel free to ask any further questions.

RK
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Eduard Hernandez
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Product Operations Program Manager Barcelona, Cataluña, Spain
I have with interest read the back and forth messages on this thread. Actually the discussion transcends the project management field and could be extrapolated to other domains in which the importance of a certificate could be questioned (for instance, an MBA over someone without an MBA but that has launched an extremely successful business, like Steve Jobs). This topic – certification vs. experience – is quite recurring in this forum. In my view, gaining a certification (not collecting) makes sense to prove that knowledge in a specific subject has been acquired to the sufficient level to get certified. It should not be seen an end on its own, but rather as a culmination of a learning effort. People holding several certifications are in my eyes people very committed in becoming better professionals.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 18, 2019 11:02 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Eduard, very well said, I totally agree especially with your last statement.
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Rami Kaibni
Community Champion
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 18, 2019 4:00 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
I have you as a reference in this community
I confess that I was surprised by your comment: "Very well said Andrew, totalyl agree"
Luis

I appreciate that and I consider you a valued member of this community.

I don’t know why is it surprising to you that I agree with Andrew or why you even question that. He is not addressing this to a specific individual and he is totally right about what he said: If someone doesn’t have certifications for any reason, they don’t get to judge others because they do.

If you disagree with him, that doesn’t mean I should too and I trust he clarified his statement that he didn’t address it to you or any individual but his comment was very general and so was mine. When you enter into discussion like these with professionals, you can’t take things personal because there is nothing personal unless for some reason it becomes personal.

Different point of views and constructive arguments are always good as long as they remain within the level of ethics and respect to one another.

RK
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