Angelica LariosCEO| ALACONTEC, S.A. de C.V.Mexico Df, Mexico
Which is the ethical way to proceed with a team member assigned to you that suddenly is not responding to your expectations? However, you find out that this person has gone through personal difficulties (a disease, a loss of a closed and dear person, a divorce, own complications, or another type). Do you try to understand it as a humankind approach? Or do you focus only on the goals and performance side? Saving Changes...
Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
Oct 17, 2019 3:53 AM
Replying to Adrian Carlogea
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The term people manager is usually being used for the employees that have direct reports.
A people manager is usually responsible for things like: - hiring and firing employees - employees work assignments (for instance on which projects they should work) - providing technical leadership to them - supervising the employees no matter on which activity they are working on (including projects), - ensuring the employees have the right skills for their assignments (training) - assessing the performance of employees and taking steps to improve it - managing the employees rewards (promotions, pay raises, bonuses) - approving leaves and other administrative tasks regarding the employees.
Project Managers as a general rule don't have the duties above.
Regarding the project team members PMs have the following duties: - requesting for employees to be assigned to the project (unless there is another system for assigning resources to projects) - ensuring the team members are being assigned relevant work for the projects (the actual tasks may be assigned by work leads) - tracking the work the team members are performing and managing their tasks; tasks management means that the PM uses a mechanism, usually some sort of project management software, to keep track of them and monitor the completion. - when the team is cross-functional coordinating the different functions that are part of the team, ensuring that they communicate efficiently - having many other project management related duties that are not directly related to the actual work being performed, for example managing stakeholder expectations, managing costs, managing risks, etc.
In addition if the PM and the team members are permanent employees in most cases there is no subordination of the team members to the PM. Both the PM and the team members are individual contributors working on the same organization under different management.
It has become very common for some members of the project team to be more senior than the PM at the organization level.
Thank you, Adrian. I don't disagree with this and while I am well aware of the difference b/t a manager and project manager, I remain curious why you think that PM's dream of being bosses?
When I was a project manager, I personally, did not dream of being a boss, though, I certainly did want to continue growing my career and have more opportunity to be in a more strategic role. While this trajectory could have potentially led me to a management type role, it was not my underlying intention/motivation.
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Oct 18, 2019 6:04 PM
Adrian Carlogea
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"... I remain curious why you think that PM's dream of being bosses? "
Because many of them complain about the fact that they don't have enough authority over the project team members.
The term people manager is usually being used for the employees that have direct reports.
A people manager is usually responsible for things like: - hiring and firing employees - employees work assignments (for instance on which projects they should work) - providing technical leadership to them - supervising the employees no matter on which activity they are working on (including projects), - ensuring the employees have the right skills for their assignments (training) - assessing the performance of employees and taking steps to improve it - managing the employees rewards (promotions, pay raises, bonuses) - approving leaves and other administrative tasks regarding the employees.
Project Managers as a general rule don't have the duties above.
Regarding the project team members PMs have the following duties: - requesting for employees to be assigned to the project (unless there is another system for assigning resources to projects) - ensuring the team members are being assigned relevant work for the projects (the actual tasks may be assigned by work leads) - tracking the work the team members are performing and managing their tasks; tasks management means that the PM uses a mechanism, usually some sort of project management software, to keep track of them and monitor the completion. - when the team is cross-functional coordinating the different functions that are part of the team, ensuring that they communicate efficiently - having many other project management related duties that are not directly related to the actual work being performed, for example managing stakeholder expectations, managing costs, managing risks, etc.
In addition if the PM and the team members are permanent employees in most cases there is no subordination of the team members to the PM. Both the PM and the team members are individual contributors working on the same organization under different management.
It has become very common for some members of the project team to be more senior than the PM at the organization level.
Adrian -
In this case the PM does appear to be operating in a matrix or functional structure but where it is a project-oriented structure, the PM would be the first line of responsibility for HR concerns.
Kiron
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Oct 18, 2019 6:20 PM
Adrian Carlogea
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While it is true that some PMs may also be people managers the role of the PM is not to manage people directly.
I once met a managing consultant working for an IT consultancy that was assisting an organization with delivering an IT Project. His role on the project was Project Manager. The project team had a mixed membership: - some team members worked for the IT consultancy and the PM was their line manager; the PM also had direct reports that were not working on the project he was managing - other team members were also working for the consultancy but they did not report to the PM; one member was also a managing consultant at the same level as the PM - the rest of the team members were employed by the client organization, either as permanent employees or contractors (they had line managers in the organization).
Obviously he was in no position to treat the project team members equaly. Some of them were in fact his clients. One of the team members had quite a senior role at the organization level.
Some consultant PMs may be fired by their team members if the team members are permanent employees and have a senior role at the organization level.
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Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
As a project manager, I've never had direct reports. I focus on the status of the project. If a person on my team is not meeting expectations, I will do what I can to assist, but we are limited in what we can do to resolve personal issues. Eventually, if that performance issue affects project estimates, it has to be reported. You can't lie about your project status to project team members. If you've already discussed the issue with the team member, you can escalate the issue to his/her direct manager, who might have more resources available to assist. Ultimately, that person may need to be removed from the project and placed on something that best meets his/her current capabilities, but that's not typically a decision that a PM can make alone.
As a people manager, I've had many of these situations. If you're in a similar situation, you have to remember that people are your most valuable asset, and all people will have challenging times in their life, and they're all unique. You can't address them all in the same way. Perhaps all you need to provide is patience while they resolve the issue; then you will have retained someone who is already a part of your organization. You may need to be creative and redistribute the workload so that employee has the time to devote to his/her issue. Or maybe you can find some resources to assist. Ultimately, though, you have to be clear about what your expectations are, and if that person cannot meet those expectations within a reasonable amount of time, you may have to make a difficult decision about retaining that person.
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Oct 18, 2019 6:06 PM
Adrian Carlogea
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Great explanation of the differences between a people manager and a project manager.
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Angelica LariosCEO| ALACONTEC, S.A. de C.V.Mexico Df, Mexico
Oct 16, 2019 11:21 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Angelica
From what you describe, there may or may not be an ethical situation.
Can you verify that the situation described by the person (the disease, the loss of a closed and dear person, the divorce, own complications, or another type) corresponds to reality?
Scenario 1: If it does not correspond to reality, we are dealing with an ethical case.
Scenario 2: If it corresponds to reality, the more you are interested in the situation and eventually help (eg ask other team members to do some of their work) the faster that person will respond according to needs and / or job requirements.
I think the approach is, "The more interested in a person as a human being, the more interested in his work."
Thank you Luis for your advice. I relate to the ethical best way to proceed from the PM in relation to the resources, assuming that what is happening to the resource is true. Regards. Saving Changes...
Angelica LariosCEO| ALACONTEC, S.A. de C.V.Mexico Df, Mexico
Oct 16, 2019 12:11 PM
Replying to James Shields
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You never want to go too far down the rabbit hole in an employee's personal issues. The bottom line is that if the employee's performance is not meeting expectations, then a conversation with that employee must take place. In certain situations accommodations may be made; but not always. Your local HR representative must be consulted. Rules and guidelines vary across organizations and countries in how these types of situations are handled.
At the appropriate time the conversation would between the team member and his/her reporting manager after there is a extended conversation between you and the reporting manager. Always keep HR posted in these delicate types of situations and document your efforts and conversations along the way.
Thank you James. I appreciate the input. Do you see any ethical issue implied in the case? Regards. Saving Changes...
Angelica LariosCEO| ALACONTEC, S.A. de C.V.Mexico Df, Mexico
Oct 16, 2019 2:47 PM
Replying to Keith Novak
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Bad things happening to people on our project teams is an unfortunate fact of life. They have happened to me as well, and so I very much try to be understanding when they happen to others.
That doesn't mean that when bad things do occur, that the individual they happened to are the only ones we should consider. If the issue is expected to be temporary, the team might be able to absorb the work. The PM might also be able to find alternate resources to help out for a period of time.
Even at the executive level however, I have seen responsibility shifts where a person who has some unfortunate circumstance is moved to a role where they can deal with their personal issues without causing excessive disruption, and their prior job must be back-filled by someone else so that the team can function effectively.
Thank you for your comments, I agree with you, this could happened to everyone. The idea is to understand what is the best ethical approach to handle the situation. Regards. Saving Changes...
Angelica LariosCEO| ALACONTEC, S.A. de C.V.Mexico Df, Mexico
Oct 16, 2019 5:04 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Angelica -
Focus on people first. If you do that, the results will follow. For a team member whose performance has been acceptable to date but is experiencing a personal challenge, you'd want to be sensitive to what they are going through and not put additional pressure on them (e.g. "The project will fail if you don't pitch in!"). Depending on your reporting relationship to them, you may wish to engage their functional manager and/or HR to help come up with a solution which protects the project but also the individual's need for some breathing space to work through the personal issue.
Kiron
Thank you Kiron. I appreciate your input and agree with you. Have you ever been on the opposite side? I mean, that you are the person going through difficult time. How have you been treated?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Oct 17, 2019 7:39 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Thankfully I haven't found myself in that situation yet, but hope that if I do, the leader I'm working with will work to balance the needs of the one with the needs of the many!
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Angelica LariosCEO| ALACONTEC, S.A. de C.V.Mexico Df, Mexico
Oct 16, 2019 6:29 PM
Replying to Adrian Carlogea
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If the team member does not directly report to you then you have no authority over him and it is not your responsibility to deal with this kind of issues.
Setting up goals and performance evaluation of individual employees is not the responsibility of the PM.
I know that many PMs want to be people managers and dream of being bosses but unfortunately they are not and they have to accept the idea that the project team members are, in most cases, their peers and not their subordinates.
In addition many PMs don't come from the same line of work as the project team members and as such they can't properly evaluate the performance of employees. For a PM a team member that has poor communication skills and appears not to properly engage with the rest of team can be seen as a low performer when in reality he can be the most valuable project contributor.
Thank you Adrian, I appreciate your comment. I agree with you that a perception can modify reality. Do you find in the case any ethical compliance issue? Saving Changes...
Angelica LariosCEO| ALACONTEC, S.A. de C.V.Mexico Df, Mexico
Oct 16, 2019 7:00 PM
Replying to Drew Craig
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Regardless of one's level of authority, there is a human aspect here. Certainly, okay to let others know of your availability to have an open dialogue. And if there is an impact on the project itself, there is a responsibility of the project manager to try to alleviate. I would still recommend keeping their functional manager included. All this said, it also may just get to a point where you do what you can and it is not enough. So from that regard, I agree with Adrian that ultimately may need to be handled by their manager.
Additional thought, direction could also depend on culture of organization, either more or less.
Thank you Andrew. I agree with you, organizational culture is an important part to take into consideration. Regards. Saving Changes...
Angelica LariosCEO| ALACONTEC, S.A. de C.V.Mexico Df, Mexico
Oct 17, 2019 2:18 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Symptoms are similar for many situations but circumstances are different, so it is hard to give an advice on the description only.
I would guide myself by the values of PMI's Code of Ethics:
1 be respectful of the individual and the problems they face, consider not only the role and task but the whole person as a human, make sure you got permission to ask personal questions
2 be responsible, which means stand in for the consequences of the decisions you make or not make (e.g. by ignoring the person's hardship) - so as a project manager even without authority you are in charge of team building and the wellbeing of each individual (and this is culturally different). Also consider your responsibility for the project and the full team. You probably have to balance.
3 be fair, to this person but also to the rest of the team, only focusing on the person could be perceived by the others as biased, get feedback on this issue. How you handle this situation will be an example to others how they can expect to be treated and has impact on your own trustworthiness and respect given. Do not try to succeed in this situation if it is your first time, do not use the person as a gunea pig. Get advice.
4 be honest - by giving feedback but also explaining the business impact of this person's hardship to them. Be honest with the team but respect the persons individual sphere. Be honest to yourself, your emotions will be involved in an unusual way, be self-aware and self-controlled. How you handle this will determine your integrity.
Thank you Thomas, I really enjoyed your answer! As a matter of fact, I was looking for an answer like that. I also find related to ethical values and applying every opportunity or chance we might have. Saving Changes...