Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Nov 10, 2019 4:16 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Sergio
Very important this your comment.
I didn't know that you belong to the group of authors and reviewers of all PMI's standards.
I can only congratulate you on that.
We agree that what matters is the knowledge areas
We still agree that processes (processes + knowledge areas) have to be used by organizations to adress its strategy
Some techniques and tools may also be helpful (I take the opportunity to tell you that removing the 7 habits of highly effective people and the 8 habit as a reference for leadership, instead proposing emotional intelligence and servant leadership went backwards)
After this explanation, which I thank you very much, it occurs to me to ask you:
Do you bring to PMBOK Guide your knowledge related to your company's process management reviews?
Hi Luis. My reference about I am part of the group is just to give some context. As you know is a position as voluntary and everybody can apply. The PMI has a process to evaluate applications that is "rigorous" but I think it could be good that each person who think valuable to apply take the option. Just to remember and encourage people to participate beyond the initial process is the option to participate as reviewer when the draft is published. About your last question, I think people that participate put the practical experience into each proposal to include/change something inside the PMBOK. In my case, beyond my experience, as a hobby I am researching about most of the topics included as knowledge areas and I tried to put the academic research on practice so my participation on the groups of authors/reviewers in the standards is driven for that situation. I am trying to maintain the abstraction when I make my comments due to PMI´s standards have to be not specific for a domain.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Nov 11, 2019 1:46 PM
Luis Branco
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Dear Sergio
Thank you for your contribution to making PMBOK Guide what it is today
I hope this guide (in the future) will continue to incorporate knowledge resulting from practical experience, research from Project Management professionals such as Sérgio
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Alexandre CostaScrum Master| Integer Consulting - Pictet technologiesLoures, Portugal
In all projects where I had the privilege of participate as pm or as team member allways had to follow streact procedures tailored by the organizations, so i never had the necessity of consulting the PMBOOK guide to do my work. However I see no evil in organizations that do not tailor this processes that from time to time the project managers revisit the processes or to follow the changes in the new editions. Personally every time that a new edition is lanched I have the habit of revisiting all processes. I think all this process depends of the work method of each project manager, the organization, and the level of experience of the oroject manager. Saving Changes...
Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
Nov 10, 2019 4:24 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Andrew
Interesting your comment
In this sixth edition the PMBOK Guide introduced (with more emphasis):
- Adaptive approaches (predictive, iterative and agile) - Tailoring
- Trends in the business environment
Which allows us to change the paradigm in the project development approach
After reading Sérgio's comment, I believe PMI is chasing the loss (where you can integrate the logo change :-))
My career has shifted over the last few years, and now, while still under PPM, in management consulting side over delivery. I tend towards other sources of documentation these days, though still a big proponent of the direction of PMI.
Nonetheless, that's why we have a bookshelf of various references - for just that one occasion! Saving Changes...
Anton OosthuizenSenior Business Analyst / Project Manager| Self EmployedPretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
Nov 06, 2019 1:20 PM
Replying to James Shields
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What is interesting about all the answers to Senthil's question (great question, Senthil) is the unanimity of seldom, if ever use of the PMBOK.
I wonder if PMI recognizes this and what their response would be to PMBOK having any practical use for us as field practitioners.
James I think this is true for almost all certification 'handbooks', which the PMBOK essentially is. I've read the BABOK once. Certifications, in my opinion, is worth as much as the paper they are printed on and we do it because it is required by the industry. I am yet to find any certification that makes you do your job better hence the fact that these types of books/manuals are left gathering dust after the certification is done. Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 10, 2019 4:52 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Hi Luis. My reference about I am part of the group is just to give some context. As you know is a position as voluntary and everybody can apply. The PMI has a process to evaluate applications that is "rigorous" but I think it could be good that each person who think valuable to apply take the option. Just to remember and encourage people to participate beyond the initial process is the option to participate as reviewer when the draft is published. About your last question, I think people that participate put the practical experience into each proposal to include/change something inside the PMBOK. In my case, beyond my experience, as a hobby I am researching about most of the topics included as knowledge areas and I tried to put the academic research on practice so my participation on the groups of authors/reviewers in the standards is driven for that situation. I am trying to maintain the abstraction when I make my comments due to PMI´s standards have to be not specific for a domain.
Dear Sergio
Thank you for your contribution to making PMBOK Guide what it is today
I hope this guide (in the future) will continue to incorporate knowledge resulting from practical experience, research from Project Management professionals such as Sérgio
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Nov 11, 2019 4:56 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Just to comment, I am one more inside a group of 10 people. If you ask me I am not confortable with this guide. But the process to incorporate something or not is by voting. No matter that, I ask people to participate into public reviews becuase the PMI take the comments into account and send a message back to each person that participate about: 1-if the sugerence is accepted or not 2-the reason. So, in my personal opinion, is the opportunity to push the PMI "hear our voice". Regards.
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LORI WILSONRETIRED - Technical Project Manager| RETIRED - LifePoint HealthClarkston, Wa, United States
Hello Sentil: I use it as a reference guide and do crack it open on occasion. Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
I always have a soft copy not too far so I can use it when necessary. On average, that happens every two weeks. Saving Changes...
Victor GinobaBusiness Analyst| HarmoniaDumfries, Va, United States
I don’t use it on a daily basis. However, PMBOK seems to be the framework for which most business projects are based, so it should be referenced from time to time. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Nov 11, 2019 1:46 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Sergio
Thank you for your contribution to making PMBOK Guide what it is today
I hope this guide (in the future) will continue to incorporate knowledge resulting from practical experience, research from Project Management professionals such as Sérgio
Just to comment, I am one more inside a group of 10 people. If you ask me I am not confortable with this guide. But the process to incorporate something or not is by voting. No matter that, I ask people to participate into public reviews becuase the PMI take the comments into account and send a message back to each person that participate about: 1-if the sugerence is accepted or not 2-the reason. So, in my personal opinion, is the opportunity to push the PMI "hear our voice". Regards. Saving Changes...
I use it quite often as PMbok provides common language, derived from PM glossary, which has useful information about project management and establishes common understanding with all involved stakeholders. Saving Changes...