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Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan Automation & Validation Engineer| Automation & Validation Solutions Taichung, Taichung, Taiwan
When is the PMBOK 7th Edition going to roll out?
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Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan Automation & Validation Engineer| Automation & Validation Solutions Taichung, Taichung, Taiwan
Nov 14, 2019 6:18 AM
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Muthukrishnan -

The 7th edition is going to be a full rewrite of the PMBOK Guide taking a principle-based (as opposed to process-based) approach. It will be a lot shorter than the current edition as a lot of the practice-focused content is expected to be migrated to an online knowledge base.

Kiron
That's interesting. Online knowledge base!!
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Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan Automation & Validation Engineer| Automation & Validation Solutions Taichung, Taichung, Taiwan
Nov 14, 2019 7:10 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
Thanks for sharing the changes coming to the PMP exam

Let's reflect out loud
From July 2020 all training support material will be designed by PMI, namely:
- Trainer's Manual
- Trainees Manual
- PowerPoint Presentation
- Exam Questions

In order to provide training it is necessary to attend a training course for trainers organized by PMI

If they are changing the PMBOK Guide, does it make sense to you that PMI is having the work of designing and delivering training support material based on the previous edition of the Guide?
Tried to skim down from that article but still cannot grasp the content. You have nicely jotted down them. Thanks
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 14, 2019 2:19 AM
Replying to Alice Hanson
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Thank you for sharing the article
You're welcome - It is indeed a very informative article.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 14, 2019 7:10 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
Thanks for sharing the changes coming to the PMP exam

Let's reflect out loud
From July 2020 all training support material will be designed by PMI, namely:
- Trainer's Manual
- Trainees Manual
- PowerPoint Presentation
- Exam Questions

In order to provide training it is necessary to attend a training course for trainers organized by PMI

If they are changing the PMBOK Guide, does it make sense to you that PMI is having the work of designing and delivering training support material based on the previous edition of the Guide?
Luis

I do not believe what you mentioned is accurate. The change coming in June 2020 is for the Exam Outline Content. They are changing the way the exam questions are, and the domains but PMI will not work on designing training material for anyone. I highly doubt that and not sure where you got this conclusion from.

Each R.E.P. should work on restructuring their training material to be in line with the new ECO (As is normally the case when there is a new PMBOK Edition). This change is significant as the ECO has been the same for years so changing the way it is structured will entail lots of changes in the structure of the training material that REP's provide. PMI can give guidance on the changes which will be used as a reference by REP's or other organizations who provides PMP Training.

This is just my personal opinion - Hope this helps.

RK
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Nov 14, 2019 12:17 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Rami -

Something which you may not be aware of is that PMI has announced that they are requiring REPs to start to use their standardized content for PMP certification prep courses as of when the new exam launches. This has stirred up a fair bit of controversy on the PMI LinkedIn REP discussion group and will likely continue to do so for a while...

Kiron
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Nov 14, 2019 12:05 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Luis

I do not believe what you mentioned is accurate. The change coming in June 2020 is for the Exam Outline Content. They are changing the way the exam questions are, and the domains but PMI will not work on designing training material for anyone. I highly doubt that and not sure where you got this conclusion from.

Each R.E.P. should work on restructuring their training material to be in line with the new ECO (As is normally the case when there is a new PMBOK Edition). This change is significant as the ECO has been the same for years so changing the way it is structured will entail lots of changes in the structure of the training material that REP's provide. PMI can give guidance on the changes which will be used as a reference by REP's or other organizations who provides PMP Training.

This is just my personal opinion - Hope this helps.

RK
Rami -

Something which you may not be aware of is that PMI has announced that they are requiring REPs to start to use their standardized content for PMP certification prep courses as of when the new exam launches. This has stirred up a fair bit of controversy on the PMI LinkedIn REP discussion group and will likely continue to do so for a while...

Kiron
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 14, 2019 12:25 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Kiron

I heard about this but still do not have a full understanding of what PMI is really requesting from R.E.P.'s. What is the exact group name on LinkedIn - I would like to join this group.

RK
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 14, 2019 12:17 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Rami -

Something which you may not be aware of is that PMI has announced that they are requiring REPs to start to use their standardized content for PMP certification prep courses as of when the new exam launches. This has stirred up a fair bit of controversy on the PMI LinkedIn REP discussion group and will likely continue to do so for a while...

Kiron
Kiron

I heard about this but still do not have a full understanding of what PMI is really requesting from R.E.P.'s. What is the exact group name on LinkedIn - I would like to join this group.

RK
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Nov 14, 2019 5:17 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Rami -

That group is moderated and is only for members of active REPs so unless your company is one you would not have access to it.

In short, PMI surveyed a broad audience and determined that because of a wide range in quality of PMP prep resources that something needed to be done. Their decision has been to develop their own content which REPs will need to use and to certify or require certified instructors. The details are still being ironed out but this high level info was shared with REPs via email and a podcast over the past week.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Nov 14, 2019 12:25 PM
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Kiron

I heard about this but still do not have a full understanding of what PMI is really requesting from R.E.P.'s. What is the exact group name on LinkedIn - I would like to join this group.

RK
Rami -

That group is moderated and is only for members of active REPs so unless your company is one you would not have access to it.

In short, PMI surveyed a broad audience and determined that because of a wide range in quality of PMP prep resources that something needed to be done. Their decision has been to develop their own content which REPs will need to use and to certify or require certified instructors. The details are still being ironed out but this high level info was shared with REPs via email and a podcast over the past week.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 14, 2019 5:28 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Kiron

This is very interesting - In light of this, I have a question:

Does this mean that non-REP's won't be able to give training anymore ? As you maybe aware, at present, many trainers who are PMP certified but not REP's do provide PMP training with a certification and the acceptance of the 35 PDU from this training is subject to PMI's approval so does this mean this won't be the case anymore ?
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 14, 2019 5:17 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Rami -

That group is moderated and is only for members of active REPs so unless your company is one you would not have access to it.

In short, PMI surveyed a broad audience and determined that because of a wide range in quality of PMP prep resources that something needed to be done. Their decision has been to develop their own content which REPs will need to use and to certify or require certified instructors. The details are still being ironed out but this high level info was shared with REPs via email and a podcast over the past week.
Kiron

This is very interesting - In light of this, I have a question:

Does this mean that non-REP's won't be able to give training anymore ? As you maybe aware, at present, many trainers who are PMP certified but not REP's do provide PMP training with a certification and the acceptance of the 35 PDU from this training is subject to PMI's approval so does this mean this won't be the case anymore ?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Nov 14, 2019 7:00 PM
Kiron Bondale
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While I do not see that explicitly stated anywhere, it might be a reasonable assumption that courses submitted as "PMP Prep courses" by a candidate would need to meet PMI's new requirements. Of course, the 35 contact hours don't need to be prep courses - someone could take a foundational PM course from a non-REP and that would be valid.

Kiron
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Nov 14, 2019 5:28 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Kiron

This is very interesting - In light of this, I have a question:

Does this mean that non-REP's won't be able to give training anymore ? As you maybe aware, at present, many trainers who are PMP certified but not REP's do provide PMP training with a certification and the acceptance of the 35 PDU from this training is subject to PMI's approval so does this mean this won't be the case anymore ?
While I do not see that explicitly stated anywhere, it might be a reasonable assumption that courses submitted as "PMP Prep courses" by a candidate would need to meet PMI's new requirements. Of course, the 35 contact hours don't need to be prep courses - someone could take a foundational PM course from a non-REP and that would be valid.

Kiron
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 14, 2019 7:03 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Thanks Kiron. I think there is a lot to be understand with regards to the new requirements.

I think we need to fully understand this from PMI's perspective as things are better refined - For example what if I give someone a training for the PMP exam, would he qualify for the 35 Hours ? Just giving an example of myself being the non-REP trainer here.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 14, 2019 7:00 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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While I do not see that explicitly stated anywhere, it might be a reasonable assumption that courses submitted as "PMP Prep courses" by a candidate would need to meet PMI's new requirements. Of course, the 35 contact hours don't need to be prep courses - someone could take a foundational PM course from a non-REP and that would be valid.

Kiron
Thanks Kiron. I think there is a lot to be understand with regards to the new requirements.

I think we need to fully understand this from PMI's perspective as things are better refined - For example what if I give someone a training for the PMP exam, would he qualify for the 35 Hours ? Just giving an example of myself being the non-REP trainer here.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Nov 15, 2019 8:03 AM
Kiron Bondale
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I think we need to differentiate prep training from all other PM training. The PMP educational criteria don't require the former which opens the door for many more options from the latter. However, if an application gets audited, the auditor is likely to scrutinize both the experience and educational prerequisites and if the contact hours don't appear to be from an "established" training organization (REP or otherwise), that might be cause for a rejection. That's why I always tell my PMP candidate students to keep copies of the certificates, agendas and proof of registration for the courses which they will be submitting as part of their 35 hours.
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