Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
EBMgt is a framework established by Scrum.org - Although it was established for software organizations, I believe it applies to all types of organizations.
What's your thoughts on this Framework ? Saving Changes...
Agree with Sergio that the idea of EBM is not new and seems to be yet another re-discovery of human ways of working. It is not bad if younger generations discover stuff and are proud of being revolutionary, but older guys smile.
German general von Moltke wrote about 1860 that ‚no plan survives the first contact with the enemy‘ and described ‚mission-based tactics‘ which were used successfully by the German armies in WWI and WWII, the US army deployed it in the 1960s. Mission based tactics basically describe what we call agile today, are based on evidence found as we go and create value.
Not saying that Moltke was the first, Alexander the Great seemed to have used similar ways of working.
We could learn a lot from military. Another example is that there is no merit in strategy planning and handing it over to operations (which leads to 80% of strategy ‚implementations‘ fail, according to PMI Pulse).
What is the strategic plan of a fire department? There is none, they develop and prepare a bunch of strategies and find out what works in every single case.
From frameworks to whatever works.
"It is not bad if younger generations discover stuff and are proud of being revolutionary, but older guys smile."
I am going to use that phrase in the future.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 24, 2019 3:40 PM
Rami Kaibni
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It’s spot on, I loved it too besides from Frameworks to Whatever Works just exactly like Teamwork Works.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 22, 2019 3:32 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
Interesting your question
Thanks for sharing
It is a management approach applied in software development and other business sectors.
I believe it is still a recent approach that does not allow me to have an opinion formed
Luis
It is not a recent approach at all but as Sergio mentioned, everyone develops Evidence Based KVA’s or KPI’s based on their experience. I just found this 11 pages guide from scrum.org to be a very brief but powerful one.
I was going through it while studying for my PSPO II Exam.
RK
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Nov 24, 2019 4:30 PM
Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
Thanks for this comment
After your question, I went looking for more information about Evidence Based Management.
Thank you for catching my eye on this management approach.
And I found those principles and wanted to validate with you
90s of the last century, in your opinion, an old approach?
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 23, 2019 4:28 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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@Keith has stated the "master key" with his comment. Scrum framework like other agile based method are evolution of the same methods that were created for object orientation then the basement is software/system engineering. Today object orientation goes unnoticed but it was the "break" in software field that allows all we used today. I know that because I worked with today "cellebrities" in the OOSPLA each year. With that said, evidence-management is not new and it is not created by Scrum, it is taken from practices that are there in software from long time ago (you can go to Tom Gilb work for example). I am using it and I help lot of organizations (including my actual work place) to use and implement it from years. Trying to continue adding information organizational governance frameworks/metods like "stage gate" use it. Knowledge management systems (systems is not synonim of software systems) and today callend big data in convination with AI helps a lot to create and environment to leverage what somebody call "evidence management". The important thing when you implement it at organizational level is try to make people do not feel that you are acting as a "police woman/man" in the process to collect evidences then the evidences are created in a "natural" way.
Sergio
Your feedback is spot on and you also said a Golden Sentence:
“The importance of making people not feel you are the KPI Police” because if they felt so, you might end up gathering inaccurate information.
From your experience, How do you think one could ensure to maintain a team spirit while gathering evidence and data ?
RK
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Nov 24, 2019 4:42 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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That´s the one millon (or more) question...jejejeje. That´s not new. Is the "problem" or "the key" that discinplines like quality try to address from years ago. I will write what works for me. I always try to demostrate to the people that works with me that "you will be more rich with this than without this" where reach is not a synonim of more money only. But on the top of that what I do is to demostrate that I believe on that. Just in case I do not believe on that I demostrate that we can not be happy with everything we do but some things must to be made. In the case of evidence management, mainly if you use it to help in agile environments implementation, that is easy to do because it easy to demostrate that evidence management help to follow one of the pillars of agile: work smarter, not harder.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 23, 2019 6:46 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
I have a proposal to make you:
- Share with us more information about Evidence-Based Management
It seems to me an interesting approach.
To what extent is it limited to academia or applicable to organizations?
Luis
I trust you went through the 11 Pages guide from scrum.org. If not, then please go through it, it’s an hour read.
It is an interesting approach and while scrum.org uses it for software development, I believe personally that it applies to all industries but you might want to add / remove KPI’s on a case by case basis.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 23, 2019 8:55 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Rami:
I could only find these 5 principles
Is it these principles that you refer to?
1. Face the hard facts and build a culture in which people are encouraged to tell the truth, even if it is unpleasant.
2. Be committed to fact-based decision making, which means being committed to getting the best evidence and using it to guide action.
3. Treat your organization like an unfinished prototype - encourage experimentation and learning by doing.
4. Look for the risks and disadvantages of what people recommend - even the best medicine has side effects.
5. Avoid basing decisions on untested but strongly held beliefs, what you have done in the past, or the uncritical benchmarking of what winners do.
Luis
Check this out and you can download the guide for free:
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 23, 2019 10:07 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Evidence-based management is less about how we manage knowledge but more about what we do with the analyzed data from our projects. As the 7th edition will be more principles than practice-based, my assumption would be that this is not included in detail, but any coverage of adaptive lifecycles would need to reference the importance of an empirical approach.
Kiron
While I agree with you, I want to add that the PMBOK does mention this maybe indirectly. The Monitoring and Control phase, is all about gathering dats, analyzing, and making decision and forecasts based on that and this is by itself is Evidence Based Management, it is built-in the nature of what we do as Project Managers.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 24, 2019 5:07 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Agree with Sergio that the idea of EBM is not new and seems to be yet another re-discovery of human ways of working. It is not bad if younger generations discover stuff and are proud of being revolutionary, but older guys smile.
German general von Moltke wrote about 1860 that ‚no plan survives the first contact with the enemy‘ and described ‚mission-based tactics‘ which were used successfully by the German armies in WWI and WWII, the US army deployed it in the 1960s. Mission based tactics basically describe what we call agile today, are based on evidence found as we go and create value.
Not saying that Moltke was the first, Alexander the Great seemed to have used similar ways of working.
We could learn a lot from military. Another example is that there is no merit in strategy planning and handing it over to operations (which leads to 80% of strategy ‚implementations‘ fail, according to PMI Pulse).
What is the strategic plan of a fire department? There is none, they develop and prepare a bunch of strategies and find out what works in every single case.
From frameworks to whatever works.
Thomas
Your feedback is spot on. I just added two favorite sentence =s to my diary:
- From Frameworks to whatever Works
- Younger Generation Discover, while order Generation Smiles
Thank you for this valuable input. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Nov 24, 2019 12:09 PM
Replying to Keith Novak
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"It is not bad if younger generations discover stuff and are proud of being revolutionary, but older guys smile."
I am going to use that phrase in the future.
It’s spot on, I loved it too besides from Frameworks to Whatever Works just exactly like Teamwork Works. Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 24, 2019 3:27 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Luis
It is not a recent approach at all but as Sergio mentioned, everyone develops Evidence Based KVA’s or KPI’s based on their experience. I just found this 11 pages guide from scrum.org to be a very brief but powerful one.
I was going through it while studying for my PSPO II Exam.
RK
Dear Rami
Thanks for this comment
After your question, I went looking for more information about Evidence Based Management.
Thank you for catching my eye on this management approach.
And I found those principles and wanted to validate with you
90s of the last century, in your opinion, an old approach?
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 24, 2019 4:35 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Luis
Thank You.
Nothing is ever Gold and in those things, Old is Gold. Without the Old, the is no New so I would say today is the New Old.