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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
EBMgt is a framework established by Scrum.org - Although it was established for software organizations, I believe it applies to all types of organizations.

What's your thoughts on this Framework ?
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Jonathan Oyibo Chief Executive| JoChills Services Lagos,, Lagos, Nigeria
In the management of Commercial Projects, Evidence-based Management has to do with the application of "lessons learned" from previous Projects for decision making in future projects.
The process helps organisations in making decisions less risky, and applying resources in the right projects. It reduces reinventing of the wheel. It is very empirical. Seeing is believing!
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Mar 11, 2020 7:27 PM
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Jonathan

True, I agree with that and we work along those lines in our organization.

RK
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Mar 11, 2020 6:35 PM
Replying to Jonathan Oyibo
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In the management of Commercial Projects, Evidence-based Management has to do with the application of "lessons learned" from previous Projects for decision making in future projects.
The process helps organisations in making decisions less risky, and applying resources in the right projects. It reduces reinventing of the wheel. It is very empirical. Seeing is believing!
Jonathan

True, I agree with that and we work along those lines in our organization.

RK
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Mohan Kulkarni PM Specialist| MBK Consultants Pune, Maharashtra State. India, India
It is nothing but tool for fact based management. All facts leave evidences behind . Actually it shall be way of life in any project management as you are playing with somebody elses resources.
Regards
Mohan
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May 29, 2020 12:17 PM
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Mohan

A fact is an evidence by itself. Not sure I understood the other part of your response.

RK
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 29, 2020 12:01 PM
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It is nothing but tool for fact based management. All facts leave evidences behind . Actually it shall be way of life in any project management as you are playing with somebody elses resources.
Regards
Mohan
Mohan

A fact is an evidence by itself. Not sure I understood the other part of your response.

RK
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Mohan Kulkarni PM Specialist| MBK Consultants Pune, Maharashtra State. India, India
Facts when time is passed ,leave evidences and many times to established that facts are facts evidences are required or handy. That is why we say fact based management and take decisions as a responsible and accountable program manager I used to document the evideances as records.
From this perspective I differentiate fact from evidence.
Trust it is ok
Regards
Mohan
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May 29, 2020 12:28 PM
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Thanks - Yes, it is OK to agree to disagree. Different point of views are always welcomed !

RK
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 29, 2020 12:24 PM
Replying to Mohan Kulkarni
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Facts when time is passed ,leave evidences and many times to established that facts are facts evidences are required or handy. That is why we say fact based management and take decisions as a responsible and accountable program manager I used to document the evideances as records.
From this perspective I differentiate fact from evidence.
Trust it is ok
Regards
Mohan
Thanks - Yes, it is OK to agree to disagree. Different point of views are always welcomed !

RK
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Abubakr Fedail Alberta, Canada
If we look deep in our daily behaviours and how we use to handle issues at home and work we will find evidence based approach shown up one way or another.. its old ,experienced and effective .
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Dec 26, 2020 11:04 AM
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That’s a very true statement, totally agree.
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Peter Rapin Subject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent Consultant Ontario, Canada
I have to admit I was somewhat confused by the initial question and submitted comments. maybe I'm still confused. I was/am under the impression that that's how I made management decisions over the last 50 years - the same as most decision makers. I suppose some use Ouija Boards, or dreams, maybe tealeaves.

The problem I have encountered with both myself and others is
1) knowing when there is enough right evidence to make that decision, and
2) making sure one uses all the evidence rather than selecting the evidence that supports one's preferred (intuitive?) direction.

For 1), one has to use some level of risk analysis. At what point is the cost/time of more evidence greater than the reduced risk of having that evidence?

For 2), you need some sort of structure or set procedure clearly delineating the evidence gathering phase from the options analysis and decision phases. That procedure can include peer discussion and analysis, mock-ups, pilot projects, modelling.

This begs the question: Are organizations commandeering and commercializing standard historical management tools, capitalizing and applying acronyms; Lean, Agile, EBMgt, etc?. I wonder if someone has trademarked "Risk-Driven Project Delivery" or R-DPDel. If not, it's mine!! :-)
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Dec 26, 2020 11:05 AM
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Peter

Excellent feedback and you touch on some very important points which got me thinking now to dig deeper into this.

RK
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 25, 2020 4:37 PM
Replying to Abubakr Fedail
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If we look deep in our daily behaviours and how we use to handle issues at home and work we will find evidence based approach shown up one way or another.. its old ,experienced and effective .
That’s a very true statement, totally agree.
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Rami Kaibni
Community Champion
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 25, 2020 7:50 PM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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I have to admit I was somewhat confused by the initial question and submitted comments. maybe I'm still confused. I was/am under the impression that that's how I made management decisions over the last 50 years - the same as most decision makers. I suppose some use Ouija Boards, or dreams, maybe tealeaves.

The problem I have encountered with both myself and others is
1) knowing when there is enough right evidence to make that decision, and
2) making sure one uses all the evidence rather than selecting the evidence that supports one's preferred (intuitive?) direction.

For 1), one has to use some level of risk analysis. At what point is the cost/time of more evidence greater than the reduced risk of having that evidence?

For 2), you need some sort of structure or set procedure clearly delineating the evidence gathering phase from the options analysis and decision phases. That procedure can include peer discussion and analysis, mock-ups, pilot projects, modelling.

This begs the question: Are organizations commandeering and commercializing standard historical management tools, capitalizing and applying acronyms; Lean, Agile, EBMgt, etc?. I wonder if someone has trademarked "Risk-Driven Project Delivery" or R-DPDel. If not, it's mine!! :-)
Peter

Excellent feedback and you touch on some very important points which got me thinking now to dig deeper into this.

RK
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