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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
EBMgt is a framework established by Scrum.org - Although it was established for software organizations, I believe it applies to all types of organizations.

What's your thoughts on this Framework ?
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
@Keith has stated the "master key" with his comment. Scrum framework like other agile based method are evolution of the same methods that were created for object orientation then the basement is software/system engineering. Today object orientation goes unnoticed but it was the "break" in software field that allows all we used today. I know that because I worked with today "cellebrities" in the OOSPLA each year. With that said, evidence-management is not new and it is not created by Scrum, it is taken from practices that are there in software from long time ago (you can go to Tom Gilb work for example). I am using it and I help lot of organizations (including my actual work place) to use and implement it from years. Trying to continue adding information organizational governance frameworks/metods like "stage gate" use it. Knowledge management systems (systems is not synonim of software systems) and today callend big data in convination with AI helps a lot to create and environment to leverage what somebody call "evidence management". The important thing when you implement it at organizational level is try to make people do not feel that you are acting as a "police woman/man" in the process to collect evidences then the evidences are created in a "natural" way.
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2 replies by Luis Branco and Rami Kaibni
Nov 23, 2019 6:53 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Sergio
To what extent is that knowledge management in projects and / or organizations can be done using the "Evidence-Based Management" approach?
Does the 7th Edition of the PMBOK Guide include this approach?
Nov 24, 2019 3:29 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Sergio

Your feedback is spot on and you also said a Golden Sentence:

“The importance of making people not feel you are the KPI Police” because if they felt so, you might end up gathering inaccurate information.

From your experience, How do you think one could ensure to maintain a team spirit while gathering evidence and data ?

RK
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dear Rami
I have a proposal to make you:
- Share with us more information about Evidence-Based Management

It seems to me an interesting approach.
To what extent is it limited to academia or applicable to organizations?
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 24, 2019 3:31 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Luis

I trust you went through the 11 Pages guide from scrum.org. If not, then please go through it, it’s an hour read.

It is an interesting approach and while scrum.org uses it for software development, I believe personally that it applies to all industries but you might want to add / remove KPI’s on a case by case basis.

RK
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 22, 2019 2:31 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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I'd say this should apply to everything we do - as much as possible, make decisions based on empiricism rather than emotions.
Dear Kiron
To what extent is that knowledge management in projects and / or organizations can be done using the "Evidence-Based Management" approach?
Does the 7th Edition of the PMBOK Guide include this approach?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Nov 23, 2019 10:07 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Evidence-based management is less about how we manage knowledge but more about what we do with the analyzed data from our projects. As the 7th edition will be more principles than practice-based, my assumption would be that this is not included in detail, but any coverage of adaptive lifecycles would need to reference the importance of an empirical approach.
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 23, 2019 4:28 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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@Keith has stated the "master key" with his comment. Scrum framework like other agile based method are evolution of the same methods that were created for object orientation then the basement is software/system engineering. Today object orientation goes unnoticed but it was the "break" in software field that allows all we used today. I know that because I worked with today "cellebrities" in the OOSPLA each year. With that said, evidence-management is not new and it is not created by Scrum, it is taken from practices that are there in software from long time ago (you can go to Tom Gilb work for example). I am using it and I help lot of organizations (including my actual work place) to use and implement it from years. Trying to continue adding information organizational governance frameworks/metods like "stage gate" use it. Knowledge management systems (systems is not synonim of software systems) and today callend big data in convination with AI helps a lot to create and environment to leverage what somebody call "evidence management". The important thing when you implement it at organizational level is try to make people do not feel that you are acting as a "police woman/man" in the process to collect evidences then the evidences are created in a "natural" way.
Dear Sergio
To what extent is that knowledge management in projects and / or organizations can be done using the "Evidence-Based Management" approach?
Does the 7th Edition of the PMBOK Guide include this approach?
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dearest
Can we see any resistance to the practice of Evidence-Based Management because, when properly applied, this can alter the dynamics of power by replacing formal authority, reputation and intuition
for data?
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dear Rami:
I could only find these 5 principles
Is it these principles that you refer to?

1. Face the hard facts and build a culture in which people are encouraged to tell the truth, even if it is unpleasant.
2. Be committed to fact-based decision making, which means being committed to getting the best evidence and using it to guide action.
3. Treat your organization like an unfinished prototype - encourage experimentation and learning by doing.
4. Look for the risks and disadvantages of what people recommend - even the best medicine has side effects.
5. Avoid basing decisions on untested but strongly held beliefs, what you have done in the past, or the uncritical benchmarking of what winners do.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Nov 24, 2019 3:34 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Luis

Check this out and you can download the guide for free:

https://www.scrum.org/resources/evidence-based-management

However, the principles that you’ve mentioned are very solid and very true. They create the basis for transparency.

RK
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Nov 23, 2019 6:53 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Kiron
To what extent is that knowledge management in projects and / or organizations can be done using the "Evidence-Based Management" approach?
Does the 7th Edition of the PMBOK Guide include this approach?
Evidence-based management is less about how we manage knowledge but more about what we do with the analyzed data from our projects. As the 7th edition will be more principles than practice-based, my assumption would be that this is not included in detail, but any coverage of adaptive lifecycles would need to reference the importance of an empirical approach.
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2 replies by Luis Branco and Rami Kaibni
Nov 23, 2019 10:15 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Kiron
Thanks for your comment.
We agree.
It's about what we do with this knowledge
But to do this, it needs to be registered, treated and then analyzed.
Nov 24, 2019 3:37 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Kiron

While I agree with you, I want to add that the PMBOK does mention this maybe indirectly. The Monitoring and Control phase, is all about gathering dats, analyzing, and making decision and forecasts based on that and this is by itself is Evidence Based Management, it is built-in the nature of what we do as Project Managers.

RK
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 23, 2019 10:07 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Evidence-based management is less about how we manage knowledge but more about what we do with the analyzed data from our projects. As the 7th edition will be more principles than practice-based, my assumption would be that this is not included in detail, but any coverage of adaptive lifecycles would need to reference the importance of an empirical approach.
Dear Kiron
Thanks for your comment.
We agree.
It's about what we do with this knowledge
But to do this, it needs to be registered, treated and then analyzed.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Agree with Sergio that the idea of EBM is not new and seems to be yet another re-discovery of human ways of working. It is not bad if younger generations discover stuff and are proud of being revolutionary, but older guys smile.

German general von Moltke wrote about 1860 that ‚no plan survives the first contact with the enemy‘ and described ‚mission-based tactics‘ which were used successfully by the German armies in WWI and WWII, the US army deployed it in the 1960s. Mission based tactics basically describe what we call agile today, are based on evidence found as we go and create value.
Not saying that Moltke was the first, Alexander the Great seemed to have used similar ways of working.

We could learn a lot from military. Another example is that there is no merit in strategy planning and handing it over to operations (which leads to 80% of strategy ‚implementations‘ fail, according to PMI Pulse).
What is the strategic plan of a fire department? There is none, they develop and prepare a bunch of strategies and find out what works in every single case.

From frameworks to whatever works.
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3 replies by Keith Novak, Rami Kaibni, and Sergio Luis Conte
Nov 24, 2019 5:19 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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I like vey much this comment. In fact, Jeff Sutherland, one of the Scrum creators, was militar and take the ideas to create Scrum mixing what he learnt in the military field plus Toyota TPS system. I had the opportunity to interact a lot with people of DoD and NATO and it is amazing how they use agile in the practice wthout know they are using it (at least at the time I worked with them. Today they are publishing papers explaining that related to Agile).
Nov 24, 2019 12:09 PM
Keith Novak
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"It is not bad if younger generations discover stuff and are proud of being revolutionary, but older guys smile."

I am going to use that phrase in the future.
Nov 24, 2019 3:40 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Thomas

Your feedback is spot on. I just added two favorite sentence =s to my diary:

- From Frameworks to whatever Works
- Younger Generation Discover, while order Generation Smiles

Thank you for this valuable input.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Nov 24, 2019 5:07 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Agree with Sergio that the idea of EBM is not new and seems to be yet another re-discovery of human ways of working. It is not bad if younger generations discover stuff and are proud of being revolutionary, but older guys smile.

German general von Moltke wrote about 1860 that ‚no plan survives the first contact with the enemy‘ and described ‚mission-based tactics‘ which were used successfully by the German armies in WWI and WWII, the US army deployed it in the 1960s. Mission based tactics basically describe what we call agile today, are based on evidence found as we go and create value.
Not saying that Moltke was the first, Alexander the Great seemed to have used similar ways of working.

We could learn a lot from military. Another example is that there is no merit in strategy planning and handing it over to operations (which leads to 80% of strategy ‚implementations‘ fail, according to PMI Pulse).
What is the strategic plan of a fire department? There is none, they develop and prepare a bunch of strategies and find out what works in every single case.

From frameworks to whatever works.
I like vey much this comment. In fact, Jeff Sutherland, one of the Scrum creators, was militar and take the ideas to create Scrum mixing what he learnt in the military field plus Toyota TPS system. I had the opportunity to interact a lot with people of DoD and NATO and it is amazing how they use agile in the practice wthout know they are using it (at least at the time I worked with them. Today they are publishing papers explaining that related to Agile).
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