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Priya Patra Delivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services Ltd Mumbai, India
I know, I know this question has been discussed deliberated multiple times before. We know and are convinced that we need project managers in the Agile world. How will this role transform in the Agile world? Do share your thoughts here.
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 27, 2019 3:40 AM
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There is a big mistake outside there: thinking that Agile ends in Scrum. There are other agile based methods like DSDM where the PM role is defined. In fact, DSDM has few marketing but is the method used in UK Goverment for example. Second, the importance that´s not rest in the role, the importance is in the functions the role performs then you will find the functions assigned to ther role or distributed between roles.
Dear Sergio.
Thanks for your comment
In the DA world what is the role of Project Manager?
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Nov 27, 2019 11:57 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Sorry, what does mean "DA"?
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Luis Branco CEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, Ldª Carcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Nov 27, 2019 8:35 AM
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I'd be nervous about the PM world trying to change Agile culture. Frankly, we've been behind the curve on this cultural shift, and we shouldn't go barging in and trying to make changes that suit us. That's a good way to become irrelevant.

There is a place for project management in agile organizations, but we should enter with a degree of humility and adapt to the new style of organization, not enter the organization and try to change it. We should embrace some of the ancient proverbial wisdom about the reed that bends and survives the storm (as opposed to the strong tree that is blown over). I would ask the counter-question: how should PMs adapt to changing business cultures?

...I'll go ahead and answer the response that I know is coming, that PMs should be change agents. This is true in some cases, especially when a growing organization needs to implement project management in order to survive. But I would hope that any PM would enter a new organization with enough self-awareness to learn the culture before trying to make changes. In the case of larger business trends like agility, we need to assess how we should adapt to the changing business world rather than trying to change the business world to suit us.
Dear Wad
Interesting perspective
Thank you for sharing
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Nov 27, 2019 10:59 AM
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I looked at recent job trends in project management in Australia, and they listed Agile, Change Management and Digital Transformation all as key trends. My current and previous role included all 3 across both roles, so they must be on to something.
That´s the big problem I pointed out into all forums I am participating on. something project management, something transformation, something anything does not exist. PMI and other are contributing to "making bad" to all of us.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Nov 27, 2019 11:06 AM
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Dear Sergio.
Thanks for your comment
In the DA world what is the role of Project Manager?
Sorry, what does mean "DA"?
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2 replies by Luis Branco and Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Nov 27, 2019 12:10 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Disciplined Agile I am assuming.
Nov 30, 2019 6:05 AM
Luis Branco
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Disciplined Agile (DA) recently acquired by PMI
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Nov 27, 2019 11:57 AM
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Sorry, what does mean "DA"?
Disciplined Agile I am assuming.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Nov 27, 2019 12:30 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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If DA is related to Discipline Agile then there is a critical item to clarify. First of all, it is a shame for me to answer because I know that Scott Ambler is a member of this community. But I will answer mainly because just in case Scott read this and he consider to participate is a new opportunity to learn for me. I will answer not only from the "academic" component. I will answer from the "pragmatic" component because I used DAD including it because I was onn charge of evaluating methods/frameworks/approaches to use inside the organizations I was working for. DAD is on the top of all roles, That´s the power of DAD. DAD has roles defined into it? Sure. But it is not the critical point.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Nov 27, 2019 12:10 PM
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Disciplined Agile I am assuming.
If DA is related to Discipline Agile then there is a critical item to clarify. First of all, it is a shame for me to answer because I know that Scott Ambler is a member of this community. But I will answer mainly because just in case Scott read this and he consider to participate is a new opportunity to learn for me. I will answer not only from the "academic" component. I will answer from the "pragmatic" component because I used DAD including it because I was onn charge of evaluating methods/frameworks/approaches to use inside the organizations I was working for. DAD is on the top of all roles, That´s the power of DAD. DAD has roles defined into it? Sure. But it is not the critical point.
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Nov 29, 2019 11:09 PM
Priya Patra
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Thanks Sergio for your response. I requested Scot to participate in this discussion
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Isn't Disciplined Agile an oxymoron? ;-)
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Folks - having been a DA instructor for a few years, since Scott is busy getting ready to deliver the inaugural PMI/DA training at the Las Vegas Seminars World next week, I'll respond.

DA acknowledges that if work is organized as projects (not products), then the role of a PM is needed. However, as per my earlier response in the thread, the role evolves such that certain PM activities are performed by other roles which frees up the PM to focus more on things like stakeholder engagement.

Remember that DA is a pragmatic, enterprise agile toolkit. Scrum was designed for products (not projects), hence the need for a PM was not identified.

You can read Scott & Mark's book "Choose your WoW" or visit the DA website to get more insights about transformed roles such as the PM.

And to Sante's question, agile requires greater discipline than waterfall/traditional approaches. Characteristics such as early/regular delivery, earlier de-risking, increased quality and emphasizing transparency all require more discipline...

Kiron
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2 replies by Priya Patra and Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Nov 27, 2019 4:16 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Thanks Kiron. I know who to annoy if I ever go for a DA certification :-)
Nov 29, 2019 11:19 PM
Priya Patra
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Thanks Kiron for stepping in for DA. Agile allows flexibility but requires more discipline than waterfall, unfortunately that is not what everyone thinks !
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Nov 27, 2019 3:43 PM
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Folks - having been a DA instructor for a few years, since Scott is busy getting ready to deliver the inaugural PMI/DA training at the Las Vegas Seminars World next week, I'll respond.

DA acknowledges that if work is organized as projects (not products), then the role of a PM is needed. However, as per my earlier response in the thread, the role evolves such that certain PM activities are performed by other roles which frees up the PM to focus more on things like stakeholder engagement.

Remember that DA is a pragmatic, enterprise agile toolkit. Scrum was designed for products (not projects), hence the need for a PM was not identified.

You can read Scott & Mark's book "Choose your WoW" or visit the DA website to get more insights about transformed roles such as the PM.

And to Sante's question, agile requires greater discipline than waterfall/traditional approaches. Characteristics such as early/regular delivery, earlier de-risking, increased quality and emphasizing transparency all require more discipline...

Kiron
Thanks Kiron. I know who to annoy if I ever go for a DA certification :-)
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Tony Skaff None Bolton, Ontario, Canada
I think we should do self-revision for our thoughts and experience that help us to squeeze and summarize it to make enough space in our minds for two things:first to keep up with the rapid development,second,to intermarriage between both of summarized and new thoughts
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