Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India
I know, I know this question has been discussed deliberated multiple times before. We know and are convinced that we need project managers in the Agile world. How will this role transform in the Agile world? Do share your thoughts here. Saving Changes...
PINAKI BANERJEEProgram Director| ITC INFOTECH USA INC.Plainsboro, Nj, United States
Irrespective of how we mark a project - Agile or Waterfall, any Project will have a scope and budget. Nothing can be an endless activity of development and reviews, without reaching set goals. Therefore even in an Agile environment, the Project Manager will still be able to stay relevant through activities that impact scope and budget. Some examples can be timely adjustment of resources, taking strategic calls in terms of whether a specific scope increase (post sprint review) can be accomodated, proper documentation of lessons learnt, procurement related activities (especially while working with 3rd party vendors).
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1 reply by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 11:27 PM
Priya Patra
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Awesome Pinaki ! You took the words out of my mouth. Every project is executed for some value - financial value is one of them, which cannot be ignored. Who better than an project manager manage that ?
Other points raised - scope management - post sprint review, procurement, resource assignment .. believe me there are numerous things that a project manager has to take care :)
I am not an expert in this and I can't answer but I can share my experience with Scrum which I heard is not synonymous with Agile. Still Scrum is the first word that comes to your mouth when Agile is mentioned.
I have seen two cases in which Scrum was used:
1) In software product development. In this case there were no project managers at all as they were not needed. Software product development is an ongoing activity that does not deliver a fixed scope for a fix budget. The fact that PMs are not needed at all for this kind of activity has nothing to do with Agile, even if Agile hadn't been used you still wouldn't have needed PMs.
2) Software development project in which a fixed scope is delivered for a fixed budget. In this case I have seen PMs coexisting with Scrum Masters and Product Owners. PMs pretty much do what they are doing in "Non"-Agile. They are probably a little less involved in the actual development activity but even in waterfall projects PMs are not too much involved in the working details anyway. So not a big change.
Also I have seen that many customers prefer to have the delivery in a single-go so Scrum does not help too much as nobody is interested of the "working" software that is developed after each sprint. So many "Agile" PMs are working in waterfall in reality.
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1 reply by Priya Patra
Nov 29, 2019 11:29 PM
Priya Patra
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Hello Adrian - Thank you for your response.
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Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India
Nov 27, 2019 2:11 AM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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I believe the two worlds of Agile and traditional project management will becomg increasingly hybrid.
I feel that way too , thank you for your inputs Sante ! Saving Changes...
Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India
Nov 27, 2019 3:40 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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There is a big mistake outside there: thinking that Agile ends in Scrum. There are other agile based methods like DSDM where the PM role is defined. In fact, DSDM has few marketing but is the method used in UK Goverment for example. Second, the importance that´s not rest in the role, the importance is in the functions the role performs then you will find the functions assigned to ther role or distributed between roles.
Hi Luis, Thank you for pointing put DSDM, I will definitely study a little more on this. And true Agile does not mean SCRUM always ! Saving Changes...
Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India
Nov 27, 2019 5:16 AM
Replying to Emily Luijbregts
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I think that we're going to be looking at a hybrid world moving forward but I think that it's going to be moving towards a larger emphasis on the role of "people" vs. "resources" and seeing how we can manage the documentation aspect of traditional waterfall in an agile world.
Thanks Emily for your response. Saving Changes...
Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India
Nov 27, 2019 7:08 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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A lot will depend on how the organization chooses to staff its projects but in general most of the role of the PM remains unchanged - stakeholder engagement, financial management, risk management and so on.
However, assuming the PM is working with some agile leads (coaches/Scrum Masters), the responsibility for building a high performing team would migrate to those roles, and progress and work reporting would change from a push to a pull model. Finally, the PM would likely be a secondary point of escalation after the coaches/SMs.
I would also expect the PM to be shifting their closest working relationships from the team members to the PO & coaches/SMs.
Finally, the PM will need to broaden their "toolbelt" to be comfortable interacting with the all the possible "ways of working" which the team might land upon to deliver the scope of the project.
Appreciate your response Kiron. Will the SM and the coaches report to the PM then ? Saving Changes...
Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India
Nov 27, 2019 5:38 AM
Replying to Suneel Kumar Nadella
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I agree fully with Mr.Sergio and partly with others. The PM role becomes more broadened with additional responsibilities to drive traditional, Agile or hybrid projects going forward. Infact Project Manager role will be key to bring requisite stakeholders/SMES from the customer organization and service provider organizations. Cost containment, effective delivery and backlogs will keep PM more engaged then traditional SDLC based projects. Project Assessment criteria and qualification mechanism of Agile Vs Traditional Vs Hybrid becomes critical process for every organisation.
Thank you Suneel for your response. I think as projects gets more and more connected, the role of project manager expands more. I think the Project manager will be the common thread that will tie everyone together towards a common goal ! Saving Changes...
Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India
Nov 27, 2019 7:37 AM
Replying to Drew Craig
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Definitely, interesting changes have been happening around the delineation of roles. The line is blurring for what organizations seem to be looking for. And with the adoption of a hybrid model in many organizations, there is an increasing number of hybrid PM's with an equal increase for a need of PM's with that specific experience. Just take a look at the specifications in Job Req's.
Thank you Andrew for your inputs ! Saving Changes...
Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India
Nov 27, 2019 8:06 AM
Replying to Abolfazl Yousefi Darestani
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I agree with Sergio.
Thanks Abolfazl for your inputs Saving Changes...
Priya PatraDelivery Director| Capgemini India Technology Services LtdMumbai, India