Anton OosthuizenSenior Business Analyst / Project Manager| Self EmployedPretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
I would agree with the general consensus that daily standups can be valuable but like most tools at our disposal today. it is about doing it right. When done right it is great, when done wrong it is really horrible. It is important to remember why there is such a thing in the first place. It is not due to Agile, or Scrum, because the concept existed before Agile was formalized. Somebody came up with the idea to make long meetings uncomfortable so that people will get on with it (EP?). I remember many different versions of 'stand-ups' where people would think of additional ways to add discomforts, even one where you were required to 'plank'. Not sure if that really worked :)
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Dec 02, 2019 6:12 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Anton
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
I had the opportunity to participate in a project that occurred in the 90s of the last century in which we introduced:
- Stand-up briefing meetings early in the day
- End-of-day debriefing standups
The organization's objectives were defined by management and broken down at the level of each employee.
Each employee defined their business plan on a daily basis to achieve the objectives.
Briefing standups served to let people say what they were going to do that day to achieve their goals.
Debriefing standups served to tell people what they did on that day to achieve their goals and whether they met them
People who had not achieved the goals in the week had coaching sessions to identify what they could improve to achieve the goals.
These coaching sessions could not last longer than 60 min.
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dec 01, 2019 5:27 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Performed properly, it is a great way for the team to avoid wasted effort and to succeed as a real team rather than some individuals getting ahead in their activities whilst others lag behind.
Dear Kiron
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dec 01, 2019 5:40 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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I've tried daily stand up meetings with "teams" where the members worked on different deliverables. That never worked because few people were interested in anything but what they were working on.
How do people feel? I don't know how other people feel. What they do is work together to a cause they believe in.
Dear Stéphane
Thank you for sharing this opinion.
What could be done to get them to think and work as a whole instead of the sum of the parts?
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
Dec 02, 2019 6:29 AM
Stéphane Parent
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I've already answered that question, Luis. You need to get everyone working on the same thing.
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dec 01, 2019 7:12 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Luis
Lots of meeting that extend for more than an hour, could become unproductive. So here is what I suggest:
1- Do meetings only when necessary.
2- Invite only the people involved.
3- Prepare an agenda and stick to it.
I always prefer weekly or bi-weekly meetings but if daily meeting is required, limit it to 30 Minutes at most.
RK
Dear Rami Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
These meetings I referred to as "daily meetings" have a maximum duration of 15 minutes, are held early in the day, and are intended for people to talk about what they are going to do.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Dec 02, 2019 11:12 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Luis
That’s different then, your question doesn’t imply this at all.
Regarding the daily meeting in the morning, we used todo this every morning on our construction projects and it was called Tool Box Talk that was mainly related to safety then each team leader talks to his crew separately about the work.
It was a very important meeting for us.
RK
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dec 01, 2019 8:37 PM
Replying to Deneb Milano
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Hello Luis,
I think you are referring to daily stand ups. I found this type of meetings really valuable it gives the team a quick update on what was accomplished, what you will be working on that day and more important if there are any obstacles. The session is for the entire team. I found them valuable and they save time.
Dear Deneb
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
Yes, it is these meetings that I refer to
Some people I talked to about the topic (team members) feel that these meetings create a lot of pressure
Is this practice sustainable in the medium and long term? Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dec 01, 2019 11:37 PM
Replying to Anton Oosthuizen
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I would agree with the general consensus that daily standups can be valuable but like most tools at our disposal today. it is about doing it right. When done right it is great, when done wrong it is really horrible. It is important to remember why there is such a thing in the first place. It is not due to Agile, or Scrum, because the concept existed before Agile was formalized. Somebody came up with the idea to make long meetings uncomfortable so that people will get on with it (EP?). I remember many different versions of 'stand-ups' where people would think of additional ways to add discomforts, even one where you were required to 'plank'. Not sure if that really worked :)
Dear Anton
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
I had the opportunity to participate in a project that occurred in the 90s of the last century in which we introduced:
- Stand-up briefing meetings early in the day
- End-of-day debriefing standups
The organization's objectives were defined by management and broken down at the level of each employee.
Each employee defined their business plan on a daily basis to achieve the objectives.
Briefing standups served to let people say what they were going to do that day to achieve their goals.
Debriefing standups served to tell people what they did on that day to achieve their goals and whether they met them
People who had not achieved the goals in the week had coaching sessions to identify what they could improve to achieve the goals.
These coaching sessions could not last longer than 60 min. Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Dec 02, 2019 5:42 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Stéphane
Thank you for sharing this opinion.
What could be done to get them to think and work as a whole instead of the sum of the parts?
I've already answered that question, Luis. You need to get everyone working on the same thing. Saving Changes...
shreeram madangopalCorporate Trainer, Auditor, Consultant| Independent Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
Are you referring to a daily meeting (where-in each and every point discussed is documented and someone tracks it down for compliance and obedience) or are you referring to a daily team-briefing ?
If there is a daily meeting that runs beyond 15 minutes every day - its eventually bound to end up being either - boring &/or being unnecessarily adding to pressure, because :
a. You would be documenting who attended - any one unable to attend is being seen in a negative frame.
b. You would be documenting the minutes of meet - asking for everyone to read / acknowledge / follow
c. You would be archiving this for future use - now thats 22 (days in a month) X 1 document (with atleast 1 point in it) X 5 months (assuming your project runs that long) == 110 documents in less than 6 months!!! Who is going to read all this in the future ?
On the Contrary - a daily team-briefing (with a duration less than 15 minutes) might help in multiple ways :
a. Only - challenges discussed and documented &/or best practices highlighted and appreciated.
b. Whoever present briefs in short to the one who is not.
c. If no specific issue / points to be discussed the briefing is adjourned within 5 mins
d. Any major challenge / issue is noted but taken up at a later discussion or as a separate case with only key stakeholders involved.
P.S. - I personally found it tedious and boring to read my own description here - so would the team I guess. So I might want to avoid daily meetings beyond 15 minutes.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Dec 02, 2019 8:48 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Shreeram Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
These meetings I referred to as "daily meetings" have a maximum duration of 15 minutes, are held early in the day, and are intended for people to talk about what they are going to do.
Some of the people I spoke to think this practice creates a lot of pressure
Dear Abolfazl
Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
Some of the people I spoke to think this practice creates a lot of pressure
What is your opinion on the subject?
How effective will these meetings be in the medium to long term?
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Dec 02, 2019 6:51 AM
Replying to shreeram madangopal
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Are you referring to a daily meeting (where-in each and every point discussed is documented and someone tracks it down for compliance and obedience) or are you referring to a daily team-briefing ?
If there is a daily meeting that runs beyond 15 minutes every day - its eventually bound to end up being either - boring &/or being unnecessarily adding to pressure, because :
a. You would be documenting who attended - any one unable to attend is being seen in a negative frame.
b. You would be documenting the minutes of meet - asking for everyone to read / acknowledge / follow
c. You would be archiving this for future use - now thats 22 (days in a month) X 1 document (with atleast 1 point in it) X 5 months (assuming your project runs that long) == 110 documents in less than 6 months!!! Who is going to read all this in the future ?
On the Contrary - a daily team-briefing (with a duration less than 15 minutes) might help in multiple ways :
a. Only - challenges discussed and documented &/or best practices highlighted and appreciated.
b. Whoever present briefs in short to the one who is not.
c. If no specific issue / points to be discussed the briefing is adjourned within 5 mins
d. Any major challenge / issue is noted but taken up at a later discussion or as a separate case with only key stakeholders involved.
P.S. - I personally found it tedious and boring to read my own description here - so would the team I guess. So I might want to avoid daily meetings beyond 15 minutes.
Dear Shreeram Thank you for participating in this reflection and for your opinion.
These meetings I referred to as "daily meetings" have a maximum duration of 15 minutes, are held early in the day, and are intended for people to talk about what they are going to do.
Some of the people I spoke to think this practice creates a lot of pressure
What is your opinion on the subject? Saving Changes...